Obama refused to support rape victims

That's because the provision in Obama's bill dealt with an issue related to prosecution and conviction. He sought to have this protectionary element included for the benefit of rapists, in a bill intended to help rape victims. You're really trying to drive a square peg through a round hole here, as was Obama with the amendment. The bill was supposed to protect rape victims privacy, to allow them to keep the details of the evidence private by sealing the information. Obama was okay with allowing that, under the condition that rapists could demand their accuser undergo mandatory tests and they be submitted to law enforcement without consent. His position was to stand up for the rights of the convicted rapist, and not to protect the rape victim.

I notice you are lacking an answer to my previous question about why the governor vetoed Obama's version. Is that forthcoming?

You still haven't explained HOW mandating rape tests protects the rapist. The ONLY way a rapist can be convicted of rape is when there is solid evidence. That is why those tests should be carried out immediately, follow proper protocol and procedures for legal protection from being tainted evidence. The longer those tests are put off, the less likely a conviction.

Medical Examination of the Rape Victim - The Merck Manual For Health Care Professionals


If patients seek advice before medical evaluation, they are told not to throw out or change clothing, wash, shower, douche, brush their teeth, or use mouthwash; doing so may destroy evidence.

Evidence that can provide proof of rape is collected; it typically includes clothing; smears of the buccal, vaginal, and rectal mucosa; combed samples of scalp and pubic hair as well as control samples (pulled from the patient); fingernail clippings and scrapings; blood and saliva samples; and, if available, semen (see Table 1: Medical Examination of the Rape Victim: Typical Examination for Alleged RapeTables). Many types of evidence collection kits are available commercially, and some states recommend specific kits. Evidence is often absent or inconclusive after showering, changing clothes, or activities that involve sites of penetration, such as douching. Evidence becomes weaker or disappears as time passes, particularly after > 36 h; however, depending on the jurisdiction, evidence may be collected up to 7 days after rape.

A chain of custody, in which evidence is in the possession of an identified person at all times, must be maintained. Thus, specimens are placed in individual packages, labeled, dated, sealed, and held until delivery to another person (typically, law enforcement or laboratory personnel), who signs a receipt. In some jurisdictions, samples for DNA testing to identify the assailant are collected.
 
...they are told not to throw out or change clothing, wash, shower, douche, brush their teeth, or use mouthwash...

Dixie may have thought those instructions applied to himself.
 
You still haven't explained HOW mandating rape tests protects the rapist. The ONLY way a rapist can be convicted of rape is when there is solid evidence. That is why those tests should be carried out immediately, follow proper protocol and procedures for legal protection from being tainted evidence. The longer those tests are put off, the less likely a conviction.

Medical Examination of the Rape Victim - The Merck Manual For Health Care Professionals


If patients seek advice before medical evaluation, they are told not to throw out or change clothing, wash, shower, douche, brush their teeth, or use mouthwash; doing so may destroy evidence.

Evidence that can provide proof of rape is collected; it typically includes clothing; smears of the buccal, vaginal, and rectal mucosa; combed samples of scalp and pubic hair as well as control samples (pulled from the patient); fingernail clippings and scrapings; blood and saliva samples; and, if available, semen (see Table 1: Medical Examination of the Rape Victim: Typical Examination for Alleged RapeTables). Many types of evidence collection kits are available commercially, and some states recommend specific kits. Evidence is often absent or inconclusive after showering, changing clothes, or activities that involve sites of penetration, such as douching. Evidence becomes weaker or disappears as time passes, particularly after > 36 h; however, depending on the jurisdiction, evidence may be collected up to 7 days after rape.

A chain of custody, in which evidence is in the possession of an identified person at all times, must be maintained. Thus, specimens are placed in individual packages, labeled, dated, sealed, and held until delivery to another person (typically, law enforcement or laboratory personnel), who signs a receipt. In some jurisdictions, samples for DNA testing to identify the assailant are collected.

Again, you are trying to make this about prosecution, and it was supposed to be about post-conviction procedures. I'm not going to be roped into a debate with you about your legal opinions regarding rape cases, or your liberal opinions about protecting rapists at the expense of the raped. You can go boo hoo with Obama and the HRW over your vetoed bill, and then go to hell. I'm done with this ass whoopin, my point has been well-made and you are clinging to life rafts. Maybe crewcut and you can discuss me personally, he seems to be interested in this thread? In any event, the convo between you and I is over.

Ta-ta!
 
Again, you are trying to make this about prosecution, and it was supposed to be about post-conviction procedures. I'm not going to be roped into a debate with you about your legal opinions regarding rape cases, or your liberal opinions about protecting rapists at the expense of the raped. You can go boo hoo with Obama and the HRW over your vetoed bill, and then go to hell. I'm done with this ass whoopin, my point has been well-made and you are clinging to life rafts. Maybe crewcut and you can discuss me personally, he seems to be interested in this thread? In any event, the convo between you and I is over. Ta-ta!

Dixie surrenders again.


 
Again, you are trying to make this about prosecution, and it was supposed to be about post-conviction procedures. I'm not going to be roped into a debate with you about your legal opinions regarding rape cases, or your liberal opinions about protecting rapists at the expense of the raped. You can go boo hoo with Obama and the HRW over your vetoed bill, and then go to hell. I'm done with this ass whoopin, my point has been well-made and you are clinging to life rafts. Maybe crewcut and you can discuss me personally, he seems to be interested in this thread? In any event, the convo between you and I is over.

Ta-ta!

Ya Dixie, I understand...your ass has to be hurtin'...:shots:
 
Once more time for posterity...

SB0943 (Obama's bill that was vetoed)

Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act.
Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection kits (now the hospitals must request the kits).
Provides that the hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless of the consent of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged sexual assault survivor must request it).

So we see, Obama's bill seeks to protect the rapist, not the rape victim. In every aspect, this amendment makes it more burdensome for the rape victim, requiring them to submit to tests and allowing the results to be shared with law enforcement without consent of the rape victim.

HB0854 (The bill Obama voted "present" on and refused to support) does not include this amendment.
It is the bill which was ultimately signed into law.

Obama refused to help rape victims. Proposed a bill to help the rapists.
 
Once more time for posterity... SB0943 (Obama's bill that was vetoed)
Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act. Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection kits (now the hospitals must request the kits). Provides that the hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless of the consent of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged sexual assault survivor must request it). So we see, Obama's bill seeks to protect the rapist, not the rape victim. In every aspect, this amendment makes it more burdensome for the rape victim, requiring them to submit to tests and allowing the results to be shared with law enforcement without consent of the rape victim. HB0854 (The bill Obama voted "present" on and refused to support) does not include this amendment. It is the bill which was ultimately signed into law. Obama refused to help rape victims. Proposed a bill to help the rapists.

Still no links...

Unfortunately all I see is that a man accused of rape isn't convicted without evidence.

Are you saying that's wrong?

BTW, how are these bills "Obama's"?
 
Uhm... a bill designed to protect the privacy of a rape victim and enable them to seal court records AFTER CONVICTION, has nothing to do with proving guilt or making a case, or prosecution or conviction. Seems like we've been here before... oh yeah, about 10 posts back... we just keep going in endless spiraling circles over and over again.
 
Well write this down in your little Hello Kitty notebook, tardface... that's the last link I will ever post for you in my entire life. I PROMISE!

We both know what your promises are worth, don't we?

You must be humiliated since your links proved you were wrong.
 
I notice you are lacking an answer to my previous question about why the governor vetoed Obama's version. Is that forthcoming?

I don't know Dixie. Maybe you can write George Ryan a letter and ask him.

Here is his address and his Inmate Register# 16627-424:

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The United States Penitentiary, Terre Haute
4700 Bureau Rd S
Terre Haute, IN 47802

Warden: Charles L. Lockett
 
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