TuTu Monroe
A Realist
I would have given my ID and kept my mouth shut. One doesn't want to mess with the cops in this kind of situation, believe me.
Obama says Police acted stupidly!
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I would have given my ID and kept my mouth shut. One doesn't want to mess with the cops in this kind of situation, believe me.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
you are only required to identify yourself IF you are detained for an investigation of the possibility that you have committed a crime, are committing a crime, or are conspiring to commit a crime. Police may not detain you for simply walking down the street minding your own business.
Identify does not mean handing over a DL either. You only have to provide a name and an address at a minimum. Now, if that can be reasonably deemed insufficient because your name is John Smith, then you can be detained at the police department until your identity can be verified.
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The Almighty
Being belligerent to a cop that is doing his/her job should most certainly get you arrested. Refusing to show an ID when a cop asks you for it while investigating a potential crime should get you arrested.
Next time you get pulled over for speeding etc... refuse to show your ID to the cop. See what happens.
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The Almighty
Which is exactly what this case warranted. I dont think he was suggesting that cops randomly stopped people and asked for their ID.
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WinterBorn
Guest
I believe you may be right, but I am not sure. Besides, that is a pretty vague thing.
But having had a call that someone was breaking in a house is good enough to qualify as "suspicious behavior".
SmarterthanYou
rebel
two totally different situations. since the privilege of driving requires a license, if you are stopped while driving you MUST present the license. If I'm stopped walking down the street because I 'match the description' of a suspect, I am only required to give my name and address at a minimum
SmarterthanYou
rebel
I don't think he was either, but I wanted to ensure that people know what their rights are regarding this issue.
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The Almighty
No, not if someone else has reported suspicious behavior as was the case with this professor.
Now that I have seen the photo of the arrest, I do find it hard to believe that the neighbor didn't recognize the professor given that it was in broad daylight.
From the photo, I also have a hard time believing racial profiling on the part of the cops given that one of the cops there was also black.
Topspin
Verified User
no uncle tom, but equally a dumbass. He should be suspended to for not controlling his cracker partner.
An appology is coming or he gets suspended. That's my call
christiefan915
Catalyst
I was referring to your comment about having to present ID if a cop in Alabama stops you. Terry v. Ohio says they have to have at least a reasonable suspicion or else they could be violating your Fourth Amendment rights.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Actually, I was referring to WB's comment about presenting ID in Alabama.
I'm still on the fence with the professor's case. I'd hope my neighbors would watch out for suspicious behaviour if they knew I wasn't home, and people trying to push in a door doesn't look good.
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WinterBorn
Guest
Reasonable suspicion for Loitering is pretty easy to go with.
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WinterBorn
Guest
All the people saying the cops were stupid or racist, can you please help me to understand what you think SHOULD have happened?
#1 - Neighbors reporting someone trying to break in a house.
#2 - Cops find a man inside the house and (I am thinking) evidence of a break-in.
Should they have just walked away after being told he lived there? Were they acting in a racist manner for being suspicious? (given the info they had)
#1 - Neighbors reporting someone trying to break in a house.
#2 - Cops find a man inside the house and (I am thinking) evidence of a break-in.
Should they have just walked away after being told he lived there? Were they acting in a racist manner for being suspicious? (given the info they had)
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The Almighty
Such a good little Obama apologist.
That is such a bullshit excuse. When a cop is investigating a reported crime (or potential crime), that cop does not have to put up with someone who refuses to show ID, calls him a racist for doing his job, and acts belligerent towards the police. While a person would have the RIGHT to call the cop a racist or 'act upset' that does not mean that their actions are without potential consequences.
Further, the Professor is the idiot in this situation for crying racism in a case where one of the responding cops was black and for having provided nothing to support such an accusation. He demeans all of those who ARE subjected to racial profiling and discrimination.
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WinterBorn
Guest
By asking a man to show ID after there was a report of someone breaking in and signs of a break in?
I'd be happy to have such thugs around.
I am not saying there aren't plenty of thugs with badges, but I haven't seen anything to say these two were among them.
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WinterBorn
Guest
So the professor has no responsibility for any of this?
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The Almighty
This is what cracks me up. The cops get called racist for doing their jobs. Had they not gone to investigate and it turned out it was a burglar then they would have been called racists for not responding to a burglary call at a black mans home.
Had they not acquired ID and it turned out to be a burglar, they would have been called racists for not being diligent enough in their duties because it was a black mans home.