Obama says Police acted stupidly!

USFREEDOM911 said:
Are you proposing that there aren't people in society, that go out of their way to try and irritate the Police; which is what I think occured in this case.
Then after the hammer falls, they finally realize that they fucked up.
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My comment is quite clear and I have no idea what "the hammer" is unles you're talking about the hammer on a police officer's gun .. which drops all the time on innocent non-white people. That is PROVEN.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the police may not arbitrarily stop someone and demand ID. This violates the 4th Amendment right against illegal search and seizure. any demand for an ID out of thin blue air is not a lawful order and may be ignored once you establish that you're not being detained.



I have done this and have been successful without getting arrested. I have several acquaintances who have also done this and ended up teaching that particular police officer a valuable lesson about the 4th Amendment.
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Take a look at what he stated... he said 'the LAWFUL request' he did not say, 'if some officer stops you cause he feels like it'
 
Superfreak said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=8153681&page=2

"Law enforcement sources told ABC News that the conversation between Gates and Crowley was transmitted over Crowley's open police radio and Gates can be heard yelling."

Anyone besides me want to hear that exchange?
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yes, the entire exchange....let's hear this so called racism....i'm sure it will show the prof exploiting the situation for his own personal gain
 
Yurt said:
yes, the entire exchange....let's hear this so called racism....i'm sure it will show the prof exploiting the situation for his own personal gain
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I wouldn't say that I am sure of what is on there, but somehow I doubt the police would have made it known they had the conversation had their officer not acted appropriately. Who has a FOIA request form handy? Since there are no charges still pending, there is no reason to not have this info become public.
 
Superfreak said:
I wouldn't say that I am sure of what is on there, but somehow I doubt the police would have made it known they had the conversation had their officer not acted appropriately. Who has a FOIA request form handy? Since there are no charges still pending, there is no reason to not have this info become public.
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i could be wrong....it was only my opinion...based on the report, which i have said may not be true or accurate....i've stated from the beginning that my opinion in this matter is based on pure speculation and the data we currently have

the prof came out awfully quick with the idea to write a book about it and he went around publicizing the incident a little too much while talking about his future book
 
Yurt said:
i could be wrong....it was only my opinion...based on the report, which i have said may not be true or accurate....i've stated from the beginning that my opinion in this matter is based on pure speculation and the data we currently have

the prof came out awfully quick with the idea to write a book about it and he went around publicizing the incident a little too much while talking about his future book
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I haven't been paying close attention, but I haven't heard Gates talking about his future book. Do you have a source for that?

And considering he is an academic that puts out a new book every two years or so, it should not be surprising that he would write a book.
 
Dungheap said:
I haven't been paying close attention, but I haven't heard Gates talking about his future book. Do you have a source for that?

And considering he is an academic that puts out a new book every two years or so, it should not be surprising that he would write a book.
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Because of his arrest, Gates said he plans to make racial profiling and prison reform central intellectual and political issues he wants to explore. He’s also considering a new documentary on racial profiling.
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/charges_to_be_d.html

another source, which i can't find now, try later....said it was a book or he was thinking of writing on book on it

mind you it is all my opinion....but the way he handled this matter by immediately crying racism indicates to me that he saw an opportunity to get in the spotlight and of course as he writes books and has made prior documentaries....he is not clueless that if he makes the arrest a national sensation that it only helps the works it puts out later for it....

are you saying that you simply can't concieve that he would do that? what reason did he have to immediately start crying racism?
 
Yurt said:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/charges_to_be_d.html

another source, which i can't find now, try later....said it was a book or he was thinking of writing on book on it

mind you it is all my opinion....but the way he handled this matter by immediately crying racism indicates to me that he saw an opportunity to get in the spotlight and of course as he writes books and has made prior documentaries....he is not clueless that if he makes the arrest a national sensation that it only helps the works it puts out later for it....

are you saying that you simply can't concieve that he would do that? what reason did he have to immediately start crying racism?
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I think you have an agency problem in the bold there. Gates doesn't make the arrest. Gates was arrested.

And yes, I can conceive that Gates, an author, professor and the Director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, would write about his experience. I just don't chalk it up to some scheme by Gates. Rather, I chalk it up to Gates writing about what he writes about.

Finally, if you can't think of a reason why a middle aged black man that has devoted almost his entire adult life to studying and writing about what it is to be black in America and the history of race relations in the United States having a confrontation with a police officer and charging the officer with racism you really need to sit down and think about things for a while instead of jumping to the conclusion that the only motivation was crass commercialism.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the police may not arbitrarily stop someone and demand ID. This violates the 4th Amendment right against illegal search and seizure. any demand for an ID out of thin blue air is not a lawful order and may be ignored once you establish that you're not being detained.



I have done this and have been successful without getting arrested. I have several acquaintances who have also done this and ended up teaching that particular police officer a valuable lesson about the 4th Amendment.
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Ive seen it happen in court many times, Ive seen many a officer get a bitch slapping from a Judge for beliveing he had a right to arrest someone for such.
 
Dungheap said:
I think you have an agency problem in the bold there. Gates doesn't make the arrest. Gates was arrested.

And yes, I can conceive that Gates, an author, professor and the Director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, would write about his experience. I just don't chalk it up to some scheme by Gates. Rather, I chalk it up to Gates writing about what he writes about.

Finally, if you can't think of a reason why a middle aged black man that has devoted almost his entire adult life to studying and writing about what it is to be black in America and the history of race relations in the United States having a confrontation with a police officer and charging the officer with racism you really need to sit down and think about things for a while instead of jumping to the conclusion that the only motivation was crass commercialism.
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yes.....because a white cop confronts a black man....it must be racism

your point actually bolsters mine...he has spent his whole life studying it and probably is so worked up over it that he cries racism where none exists

i can't wait to hear the full exchange or learn more facts
 
Yurt said:
yes.....because a white cop confronts a black man....it must be racism

your point actually bolsters mine...he has spent his whole life studying it and probably is so worked up over it that he cries racism where none exists

i can't wait to hear the full exchange or learn more facts
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1) He may cry racism when none exists based on his profession and life experiences, but that's got zero to do with the commercial angle you were pushing.

2) On the police tape, do you know whether everything is recorded or does it just record what the police officer says into the radio and whatever is in the background when he speaks into the radio? Is it like a tape recorder that is always on or is it only on when the officer presses the button on the radio to speak?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
simply asking for ID is not violating your rights, even if done in a nasty way. The issue here would be 'does he have reasonable articulate suspicion' that you HAVE, ARE, or GOING TO commit a crime before he asks. If he doesn't, and you refuse to comply, then arresting or harrassing you is a violation of your rights.
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Agreed, but I just answered the question you had asked me, My original point was if ya get shitty with the cops no doubt they will in return, The report said Gates got shitty with the cops ( again we don't know we weren't there) What I was saying is most of the time if ya do as they say and treat them with respect ya don't have a hassle
 
Dungheap said:
1) He may cry racism when none exists based on his profession and life experiences, but that's got zero to do with the commercial angle you were pushing.

2) On the police tape, do you know whether everything is recorded or does it just record what the police officer says into the radio and whatever is in the background when he speaks into the radio? Is it like a tape recorder that is always on or is it only on when the officer presses the button on the radio to speak?
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i don't know...it has been requested to be released though

and it has everything to do with it...we have a guy who has made a living of studying, writing, making docs about racism...and he says has never experienced it at the hands of police he says....so, IMO, he immediately sees an opportunity and exploits it as he has "finally" experienced the racism first hand
 
Yurt said:
i don't know...it has been requested to be released though

and it has everything to do with it...we have a guy who has made a living of studying, writing, making docs about racism...and he says has never experienced it at the hands of police he says....so, IMO, he immediately sees an opportunity and exploits it as he has "finally" experienced the racism first hand
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Whatever, if you're inclined to think that the police acted wrongly you will give Gates the benefit of the doubt. If you are inclined to this the police acted appropriately you will not give Gates the benefit of the doubt.

Me, I'm generally a proponent of Occam's Razor. I think the simplest explanation is that Gates, wrongly or rightly, perceived racism and acted accordingly.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the police may not arbitrarily stop someone and demand ID. This violates the 4th Amendment right against illegal search and seizure. any demand for an ID out of thin blue air is not a lawful order and may be ignored once you establish that you're not being detained.



I have done this and have been successful without getting arrested. I have several acquaintances who have also done this and ended up teaching that particular police officer a valuable lesson about the 4th Amendment.
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You appear to be talking about a different event, then the one that J-Rod offered.

Jarod said:
Not in your own home. And even in Alabama, if a cop does not have a reason to ask for your id, you do not have to provide it. They might can arrest you for loidering... But what are they going to arrest you for if you politly say, no, and keep walking...?
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Would you care to comment on that one, specifically the part about "home"??
 
blackascoal said:
I'm suggesting that a 60 year old man with a limp is an improbable suspect for breaking into a home in broad daylight where everybody that passes by can see him.

It would take about 2 minutes to prove the home was his, he was a college professor, and that the limo was not stolen.

That's what I'm suggesting.
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First off; you seem to be basing your comment regarding 60 year old criminals, on supposition and feelings.
Secondly; then the Prof should have taken those "2 minutes" and complied, no one said the limo was stolen. You brought it up and I offered a reply that had nothing to do with anyone saying it was stolen.
Case closed
Oh, that and acted more professionally.

So, what was your point again??
 
blackascoal said:
My comment is quite clear and I have no idea what "the hammer" is unles you're talking about the hammer on a police officer's gun .. which drops all the time on innocent non-white people. That is PROVEN.
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Now that you're just acting stupid, I guess I can discontinue the conversation; because you have no more "facts" to present.

Get back to me, when you have something of substance.
 
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