Obama to cut Pell Grants

deficit is to high for sure but education is one area that I personally think should be untouchable.

Here is an idea. instead of providing free defense to countries less start charging a fee.

I disagree. Education, like defense, has a lot of wasteful spending. Way to much money spent on administrative side. They can cut education without cutting teachers salaries, infrastructure etc...

As for defense, rather than charging them a fee... how about we just pull our military out of areas we no longer need them... such as Germany and most of Western Europe?
 
ax dept of education, increase pell grants buy half the amount saved. BAM increase in education and decrease in crony jobs.
 
ax dept of education, increase pell grants buy half the amount saved. BAM increase in education and decrease in crony jobs.

While I would certainly take the ax to the Dept of Education, you cannot cut it altogether until a replacement is in place. I think what we need to do is take a good hard look at the admin side. There is no need for a superintendent (and their staff) for every single school district. Which is just one example of where I would cut.
 
While I would certainly take the ax to the Dept of Education, you cannot cut it altogether until a replacement is in place. I think what we need to do is take a good hard look at the admin side. There is no need for a superintendent (and their staff) for every single school district. Which is just one example of where I would cut.

We are having a battle over education in our state. I am going to post a letter that I wrote to my congressman .... some of the same ideas:

Dear Representative Derby,

Let me first introduce myself. I am a High School Mathematics teacher for ________ Public School in SE OK. I am currently in my 24th year of teaching and have really enjoyed the career path I have chosen. I realize that I am not from your district but hope you will read this letter anyway (I am sending a copy to my representative as well) as I really want to commend you for your efforts regarding the problems with education. I think you are spot-on in your assertion that administrative costs are getting out of hand and that must be addressed.

Politically, I am a conservative Democrat. I am pretty vocal politically, and many times my views are not what my peers want to hear. Coincidently, I addressed educational problems with a friend the other day. While some of it is fresh on my mind, having read some of your proposal with HB 1289, let me share.

I don't have all of the answers but I do have some suggestions that would most definitely help, IMO. And I don't propose that all of it would be easy. I keep hearing that we aren't competitive when it comes to test performance and I can't help but agree. Statistics bear this out as well. Why don't we model some successful systems then?

Many on the liberal side of the political aisle think throwing money at the educational system will fix the problems of poor student achievement leading to low overall test scores, the standard that most seem to want to look at to see the measure of success of an educational institution or an overall system. I both agree and disagree with this line of thinking. Teacher pay in several states needs to increase...but there must be stipulations (more on this later).

Also, the educational system is top-heavy. In Oklahoma we have over 500 school districts, each with at least a Superintendent, a grade-school principal and a high school principal. The answer is not consolidation. With the vast size of many of the rural districts bussing would be a nightmare. A way of freeing up existing educational money that can be used in various ways is to eliminate the Superintendent for every school. Good principals are extremely important to the success of a school and there needs to be at least one at each school site. Some states have one Superintendent per county. In our state that would take the number of Superintendents down from 532 to 77. That is a savings of about $5.7 million. I am sure more savings can be found in similar areas such as schools that only need one principal.

Teacher pay can be increased based on a number of things. Before I go into merit pay let me suggest a few. In my state, teachers who teach in urban areas should be paid more than teachers teaching in rural areas. They encounter more students per day and, especially on the Jr. High and High School level, are more inherently at risk. I could not imagine (in fact I wouldn't be) teaching at a school where metal detectors and security guards are the norm. Also teachers in "shortage areas" (such as Science or Math) should be rewarded with a somewhat larger base salary. If they are successful they can build it up from there. I do not say this to boost my own salary as a Math teacher but if we are going to attract people who have the skills to teach science or mathematics we must try to somehow sweeten the pot so they will not take those skills to another field of work or worse, to another state.

Now to the subject of merit pay. I am not against merit pay at all. Bad teachers shouldn't be rewarded the same as good ones. But before merit pay or evaluation based on testing is implemented some fundamental changes need to be made...especially at the Jr. High and High School levels...but really to the overall system from Kindergarten forward. Here are but a couple of suggestions:

1. Eliminate social promotion. If a student cannot perform 3rd grade level work satisfactorily this year, what makes a person think he'll be able to do 4th grade work satisfactorily next year? Looking at areas of concern I see this as the number one problem in the school in which I teach. Use retention in the lower grades but if this isn't successful then re-direction is a must.

2. Do what the most successful educational systems in other countries do, use ability grouping by the 8th grade, if not before. Take it even further and utilize our Tech Schools to provide alternate education for non-college bound kids. Whether we like it or not, not all kids are going to or are cut out for college. We still need plumbers, policemen, firemen and such and they don't need to know the Pythagorean Theorem or Quadratic Formula.

Do this and then we can talk about merit pay. I do worry that already teacher evaluations are being changed to include the standardized test performance of students...and they've been in charge for less than a month. If they try to institute merit pay also without making some needed changes then people just think there is a shortage of Math and Science teachers now. I am not asking for them not to institute pay or evaluation based on merit, just create a leveler playing field before they do.

One of the first reports I read from new State Superintendent Barresi is that we are not competitive...and she is right. The report bears this out and it is as clear as it can be. To quote one of her suggestions from the article: “She challenges teachers and administrators to increase the difficulty at school.” This is great and I would love to do it but cannot as long as I am forced to teach to the “middle” because we expect all 13 year olds to be on the same level.

Read more: http://newsok.com/oklahomas-new-edu...es-are-too-easy/article/3526762#ixzz1C5AI5Uf2

Will the above suggestions cure every ill of Public Education? Of course not, but I think they are some valid suggestions to help along the way to making us competitive again.

If you have made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read some of my thoughts.
Sincerely,
 
We are having a battle over education in our state. I am going to post a letter that I wrote to my congressman .... some of the same ideas:

Could not agree more with your letter. Especially on the merit pay points. We have to stop teaching to the lowest common denominator. We have to stop the insane practice of passing kids to the next grade who haven't earned it simply to protect their feelings. Love the idea for grouping from 8th grade (at least) on.
 
LOL - I knew Frank was coming.

Barney Frank- the "shadow leader" of the American gov't throughout Bush's term. Despite a GOP majority, Bush & Congress were helpless to stop Frank!
You think the POTUS has the power of a dictator?...haha...Maybe Obama can explain the extent of presidential power to you...(and his party even enjoyed a majority in both houses....)

Its not that Bush couldn't stop Frank, its more they couldn't start him....

If you doubt Bush warned them in '03 of the coming collapse, I'll be happy to post the YouTube videos....and Franks response.
 
obama has it wrong just like bush did. Taking money away from education is not the right move. Investing in education is like a company investing in Research and Development. Once you see the R&D budget going down you know that the company is not worth investing in anymore.
:lies:
Bullshit....teachers and administrators are raping the taxpayers of billions with little to show for it....cripes man...face the facts.
 
You think the POTUS has the power of a dictator?...haha...Maybe Obama can explain the extent of presidential power to you...(and his party even enjoyed a majority in both houses....)

Its not that Bush couldn't stop Frank, its more they couldn't start him....

If you doubt Bush warned them in '03 of the coming collapse, I'll be happy to post the YouTube videos....and Franks response.

So, Bush knew about the coming collapse as early as '03, and all he did was issue a stern warning?

Great leadership there, bravs...
 
So, Bush knew about the coming collapse as early as '03, and all he did was issue a stern warning?

Great leadership there, bravs...

I see bravo has ignored Bush's 'ownership society'

Remember the ownership society? President George W. Bush championed the concept when he was running for re-election in 2004, envisioning a world in which every American family owned a house and a stock portfolio, and government stayed out of the way of the American Dream.

These families were, of course, conservative, or at a minimum traditional and nuclear, consisting of a heterosexual married couple and at least two kids living in a stand-alone home with a yard, a car or two and a multimedia room with a flat-screen television. The latter was a new addition to this 21st-century simulacrum of the 1950s "Leave It to Beaver" idyll. But the dream was the same.

Such a country would be more stable, Bush argued, and more prosperous. "America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," he said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, they paled in comparison to the financial innovations that grew out of the mortgages—derivatives built on other derivatives, packaged and repackaged until no one could identify what they contained and how much they were, in fact, worth.

As we know by now, these instruments have brought the global financial system, improbably, to the brink of collapse. And as financial strains drive husbands and wives apart, Bush's ownership ideology may end up having the same effect on the stable nuclear families conservatives so badly wanted to foster.

Newsweek
 
So, Bush knew about the coming collapse as early as '03, and all he did was issue a stern warning?

Great leadership there, bravs...
He was leading.....the Democrats weren't following...even his own party wasn't following for the most part.....like I pointed out...the POTUS isn't a dictator....
 
He was leading.....the Democrats weren't following...even his own party wasn't following for the most part.....like I pointed out...the POTUS isn't a dictator....

But Barney Frank is, apparently.

You're delusional. Bush failed.
 
We are having a battle over education in our state. I am going to post a letter that I wrote to my congressman .... some of the same ideas:

Our school system is top heavy, too and when they make cuts, it is teachers and I hate that, clean out the administration first and then cut teachers!
 
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