Obama to cut Pell Grants

NigelTufnel said:
No.
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Odd given that you just mocked a return to pre-2007 spending, yet you also don't want to remain at the 2007-2010 spending levels. Just where DO you think we should be?

Yes, also the stimulus.
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Ok... then if you cut those out of the spending, we will be near pre-2007 levels. The spending cuts to other areas are minimal in comparison.
 
Topspin said:
turbo-libs crucified Bush for spending 1/3 what Obama is spending.
Please send another Reagan to crush this reicarnation of Jimma Carta
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I think you historical references are way off. You're making a plea to bring back Herbert Hoover.
 
Obviously demtards like stimulus ( Obama spending) but hated deficit spending( bush spending). Not many libtards have business or economics degrees or expertise.
 
Topspin said:
Obviously demtards like stimulus ( Obama spending) but hated deficit spending( bush spending). Not many libtards have business or economics degrees or expertise.
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You are an economic moron that doesn't have a human degree.

I suggest you study how deficit hawks derailed the recovery in 1937-38.

Here's some sound advice from a conservative icon:

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke
 
Bfgrn said:
You are an economic moron that doesn't have a human degree.

I suggest you study how deficit hawks derailed the recovery in 1937-38.

Here's some sound advice from a conservative icon:

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke
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I'm an MBA with a million reason why I understand economics better than the average turbo lib. You a fucking partisan hack for the party that thinks corporations are the devil. You get your ass pounded daily on economics and business issues. Maybe you like that. Your choice, thanks for the comedy libtard.
 
Topspin said:
I'm an MBA with a million reason why I understand economics better than the average turbo lib. You a fucking partisan hack for the party that thinks corporations are the devil. You get your ass pounded daily on economics and business issues. Maybe you like that. Your choice, thanks for the comedy libtard.
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We had a president with an MBA, where did it get us? I don't have an MBA, but I understand enough about the economy to have made a lot of money in it and to understand the circumstances Obama was confronted with when he took over from the MBA moron. You clearly DON'T. You obviously are a cement head ideologue with a piece of paper like Bush, but you lack any form of common sense and what is much worse, any form of common decency and compassion. What we saw from Obama was not some economic ideology. What he did was absolutely necessary, they were economically responsible measures to halt an economy that was in free fall. Obama didn't inherited the sound economy Clinton left Bush. America is no longer an economy built on manufacturing, it is a consumer based economy. What happens in a consumer based economy when consumers stop spending Einstein?

The American people are hurting, there is one job for every five people looking for work. If you really are an MBA, and believe that austerity is the solution at this juncture, change your screen name to Herbert Hoover Bush.
 
Your a libtard and a pussy, and not half as smart as you think. Being anti Obama doesnt mean pro bush. A higher educated person knows they both sucked. Loser
 
Bfgrn, since you're apparently opposed to any spending cuts (except the military, of course), what is your proposal for balancing the budget? Even if you gutted the entire military and raised taxes on the wealthy, we'd still have a $500+ billion deficit...
 
Bfgrn said:
We had a president with an MBA, where did it get us? I don't have an MBA, but I understand enough about the economy to have made a lot of money in it and to understand the circumstances Obama was confronted with when he took over from the MBA moron. You clearly DON'T. You obviously are a cement head ideologue with a piece of paper like Bush, but you lack any form of common sense and what is much worse, any form of common decency and compassion. What we saw from Obama was not some economic ideology. What he did was absolutely necessary, they were economically responsible measures to halt an economy that was in free fall. Obama didn't inherited the sound economy Clinton left Bush. America is no longer an economy built on manufacturing, it is a consumer based economy. What happens in a consumer based economy when consumers stop spending Einstein?

The American people are hurting, there is one job for every five people looking for work. If you really are an MBA, and believe that austerity is the solution at this juncture, change your screen name to Herbert Hoover Bush.
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When you are talking about the economy in Jan 2001 we were in a recession yet you say it was on sound footing? As one who was working in the Silicon Valley at that the time I can tell you the dot com bust was very real. Do you not remember that?
 
Bf turbo lib sucks obamas nuts with the best of them. unemployment extensions and welfare are political payoffs not stimulus. Let me guess bf, not only do you not have an MBA you don't have a business degree. Liberal arts maybe. You fucking Gaylord.
 
Voltaire said:
Bfgrn, since you're apparently opposed to any spending cuts (except the military, of course), what is your proposal for balancing the budget? Even if you gutted the entire military and raised taxes on the wealthy, we'd still have a $500+ billion deficit...
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Balancing the budget is NOT the first and foremost issue facing this nation. It has become the number one issue only to people who have an agenda that is not in the best interest of the people of this nation. It is something that will have to be addressed in increments. The trajectory is what we need to be aware of. There are plenty of areas that can be cut, defense is a bloated cash cow for corporations who are the number one perpetrators of defrauding We, the people. Big pharma tops the list of companies that defraud government under False Claims Act. Fatherland security is a fiasco that should have never been created and should be shut down ASAP. But the very last thing that should be cut is programs that help We, the people.

The seminal issue facing this country; are we a democratic society where government serves the needs of We, the people, like our founding fathers created, or are we going to continue down the road to a plutocracy where we have socialism and welfare for multinational corporations that have absolutely NO allegiance to this country or it's citizens? The history of mankind is full of aristocracies in some form or other. If conservatives have their way, America will be added to the list. There are many problems with conservatism today. Ignorance heads the list. They have no idea how our founding fathers governed, and they try to wield the Constitution as a weapon against the living, by using the words of the dead.
 
The military cuts do seem a little bit token in the new proposal. I wish they were way more aggressive.

Politicians have to look at the pie chart of spending; I'm okay w/ them cutting some of the Pell grant program if it isn't working, but you can't even see that on the average pie chart. The only way to really address spending is the big stuff - the military, SS, Medicare/Medicaid. All have become "3rd rails," but there is definitely some revolution that is needed in that thinking.

America's debt is a ticking time bomb, imo...
 
Bfgrn said:
We had a president with an MBA, where did it get us?
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Seven years of a stable, growing economy and what we normally call FULL employment.....4-6%......all that in spite of THE worst attack on the US EVER....
I'll take that any :good4u::)day of the week....
 
bravo said:
Seven years of a stable, growing economy and what we normally call FULL employment.....4-6%......
I'll take that any :good4u::)day of the week....
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Bush had no economic policy, couldn't control his own parties' spending & presided over the worst economic collapse in decades.

Wanna try again?
 
bravo said:
Seven years of a stable, growing economy and what we normally call FULL employment.....4-6%......all that in spite of THE worst attack on the US EVER....
I'll take that any :good4u::)day of the week....
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The problem pea brain...Bush was president for EIGHT years. We are now in the throws of the biggest failure in our history...Bush. It will take decades to get out from under the horrible job he did.
 
Topspin said:
Bf turbo lib sucks obamas nuts with the best of them. unemployment extensions and welfare are political payoffs not stimulus. Let me guess bf, not only do you not have an MBA you don't have a business degree. Liberal arts maybe. You fucking Gaylord.
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Hey bean counter...here are some beans for 'ya...

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/Economic_Stimulus_House_Plan_012109.pdf

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