Obama To Use Bush Cybersecurity Plan

Damocles said:
No. This is the time they blame the "Party of NO" for filibustering everything even though they have a filibuster proof majority.
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This is particularly funny coming from the guy that complains about phantom Democratic filibusters getting in the way of the noble Republicans desparately trying to save the world from economic catastrophe.
 
Onceler said:
Right on; if there is one thing we know about Obama, it's that he's a carbon copy of Bush. You can tell, because conservatives are so effusive in their praise of his policies.

It's like there wasn't any kind of transition at all in January...
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That sums it up perfectly. Obama could reduce taxes and they'd condemn him. LMAO


"The beginning of thought is in disagreement - not only with others but also with ourselves." Eric Hoffer
 
Onceler said:
I consider BAC a true leftist, and he is not happy with Obama. But he was not happy with Obama in the campaign, because Obama campaigned on pretty much everything he is doing. As BAC points out, he is not the radical socialist that you guys like to call him when you're not saying he's exactly like Bush. He's a centrist.

That said, any comparison to Bush as a President, and the priorities Bush set as President, are laughable. Healthcare reform, energy policy which includes massive investment in domestic alternatives & goals for energy independence, investment in the infrastructure, college tuition assistance, job training, et al. Obama is as far from Bush as you could imagine. Let's not even get into competence & good judgment.

You guys want it both ways: you want to paint Obama as a dangerous extremist who is undermining the very foundation of America with his proposals, but at the same time....he's just like Bush!

Silly....
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I agree with yoiu wholeheartedly on conservatives wanting to call it both ways.

One minute it's a liberal/socialist takeover in America, and the next minute they're trumpeting how conservative America is.

One minute they themselves heap scorn on Bush and how he wasn't a real conservative and blame him for all their dark days, the next minute they're telling you how right he was and how Obama wants to be him .. even though he's a "socialist.".

My point, as I'm sure you understand, was not that Obama is Bush by any stretch of the imagination, but that as a centrist he doesn't have the bold courage required to break away from many Bush policies, especially on civil liberties, foreign policy, or war.
 
blackascoal said:
I agree with yoiu wholeheartedly on conservatives wanting to call it both ways.

One minute it's a liberal/socialist takeover in America, and the next minute they're trumpeting how conservative America is.

One minute they themselves heap scorn on Bush and how he wasn't a real conservative and blame him for all their dark days, the next minute they're telling you how right he was and how Obama wants to be him .. even though he's a "socialist.".

My point, as I'm sure you understand, was not that Obama is Bush by any stretch of the imagination, but that as a centrist he doesn't have the bold courage required to break away from many Bush policies, especially on civil liberties, foreign policy, or war.
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Wow you call Obama a centrist yet he had an extreme liberal voting record in the senate and has pushed the liberal agenda harder and faster then anyone has imagined. Take your head out of the sand man and look at reality for once.
 
blackascoal said:
I agree with yoiu wholeheartedly on conservatives wanting to call it both ways.

One minute it's a liberal/socialist takeover in America, and the next minute they're trumpeting how conservative America is.
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One doesn't have to be in the majority to take over the government.

One minute they themselves heap scorn on Bush and how he wasn't a real conservative and blame him for all their dark days, the next minute they're telling you how right he was and how Obama wants to be him .. even though he's a "socialist.".
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No they are pointing out where Bush wasn't conservative and showing that Obama and he have much in common in policy.

My point, as I'm sure you understand, was not that Obama is Bush by any stretch of the imagination, but that as a centrist he doesn't have the bold courage required to break away from many Bush policies, especially on civil liberties, foreign policy, or war.
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Nor is it mine that they are the same. My point is that what used to be a complaint for many crossing lines of partisanship has now fallen silent from one side simply because of a letter by the name. Ignoring how he hasn't broken away from some of the policies they complained about, and in some cases strengthened them, is a particularly blatant sign of partisanship.
 
Damocles said:
One doesn't have to be in the majority to take over the government.
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One does have to complete at least the 8th grade to be able to recognize that Obama is neither a socialist or a liberal, nor is the Democratic Party a party of liberals. This is just bullshit partisan-speak from a confused and declining constituency. That's all it is.

No they are pointing out where Bush wasn't conservative and showing that Obama and he have much in common in policy.
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More politically useful labeling that is meaningless. "Bush wasn't a conservative" is stupid, and I'm sure that 99% of conservatives here voted for him .. twice.

Obama and Bush have common interests.

Nor is it mine that they are the same. My point is that what used to be a complaint for many crossing lines of partisanship has now fallen silent from one side simply because of a letter by the name. Ignoring how he hasn't broken away from some of the policies they complained about, and in some cases strengthened them, is a particularly blatant sign of partisanship.
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Now we are in perfect harmony and agree completely. This has been my admonition to democrats.
 
blackascoal said:
One does have to complete at least the 8th grade to be able to recognize that Obama is neither a socialist or a liberal, nor is the Democratic Party a party of liberals. This is just bullshit partisan-speak from a confused and declining constituency. That's all it is.
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One has to suggest he is socialist to actually suggest he is socialist. But saying that Liberals couldn't take over the government and that the majority of the populace is conservative at the same time is impossible is rubbish. It is possible that both could be true at the same time.

More politically useful labeling that is meaningless. "Bush wasn't a conservative" is stupid, and I'm sure that 99% of conservatives here voted for him .. twice.
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Which tells me that for many Party identifies who they vote for rather than policy. IMO it is a problem in the nation. Rather than open their eyes and note that Bush was doing several things that were not conservative and run and vote for a conservative they applauded things like: Pill Bills, Centralized government control of education (not one of the powers listed for the Feds), nation-building wars (check that one out, he directly promised no nation-building wars because it is a conservative thing then went against it), etc....

Obama and Bush have common interests.



Now we are in perfect harmony and agree completely. This has been my admonition to democrats.
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Yup. It's one of the times where we agree. And oddly enough I like it.
 
blackascoal said:
My point, as I'm sure you understand, was not that Obama is Bush by any stretch of the imagination, but that as a centrist he doesn't have the bold courage required to break away from many Bush policies, especially on civil liberties, foreign policy, or war.
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I will agree that Obama doesn't have the balls to break away from some of the Bush policies.....but it isn't because he's a centrist, it's because he's afraid to prove he's the liberal we've warned you about....the independents and moderates he conned into voting for him are already nervous....if he takes too many steps too fast he's liable to jeopardize all his ability to REALLY fuck the country up for once and all.....
 
blackascoal said:
One does have to complete at least the 8th grade to be able to recognize that Obama is neither a socialist or a liberal, nor is the Democratic Party a party of liberals.
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just having met you, your comment puzzles me....either you are so far to the left that the American left looks conservative to you or you don't want us to notice what the American left is doing to the country......
 
blackascoal said:
More politically useful labeling that is meaningless. "Bush wasn't a conservative" is stupid, and I'm sure that 99% of conservatives here voted for him .. twice.
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do you recall that when Bush was first put forward as a potential candidate in 2000 that it was argued that he had strong bipartisan support in Texas and that he would attract moderates?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do you recall that when Bush was first put forward as a potential candidate in 2000 that it was argued that he had strong bipartisan support in Texas and that he would attract moderates?......
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A Democrat in TX is basically a hardcore rightie in the Northeast.

Conservatives loved Bush for about 7 years. It was only at the end, when they realized how badly he failed, that they started to try to renounce him and make the claim that "he was never really a conservative..."
 
Onceler said:
A Democrat in TX is basically a hardcore rightie in the Northeast.

Conservatives loved Bush for about 7 years. It was only at the end, when they realized how badly he failed, that they started to try to renounce him and make the claim that "he was never really a conservative..."
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I just want to know how far back we have to go for the Republican Party to have nominated a "true conservative" for president.
 
Onceler said:
A Democrat in TX is basically a hardcore rightie in the Northeast.

Conservatives loved Bush for about 7 years. It was only at the end, when they realized how badly he failed, that they started to try to renounce him and make the claim that "he was never really a conservative..."
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wrong again, many were saying that long before, his spending was out of control and people were tired of it

and it doesn't matter what you think of tx dems, he had bipartisan support
 
Yurt said:
wrong again, many were saying that long before, his spending was out of control and people were tired of it

and it doesn't matter what you think of tx dems, he had bipartisan support
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Mainstream conservatives adored Bush through the 2006 mid-terms at minimum.

It was only after he was a lame duck that they came out in droves trying to distance themselves, because they realized what he did to the conservative movment.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I will agree that Obama doesn't have the balls to break away from some of the Bush policies.....but it isn't because he's a centrist, it's because he's afraid to prove he's the liberal we've warned you about....the independents and moderates he conned into voting for him are already nervous....if he takes too many steps too fast he's liable to jeopardize all his ability to REALLY fuck the country up for once and all.....
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I appreciate your perspective, but if you think Obama is a liberal, name all the liberals in his Cabinet.

Liberals don't lie down with people like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner .. both of whom agreed with the Bush economic policies.

Liberals don't have the same discomfort with civil liberties that Obama has.

Liberals don't acknowledge the confederacy.

Liberals don't pour money on Wall Street.

Independents and moderates are always nervous .. and timid. That's not news.

Obama is a centrist, and like all centrists, avoids causes and doing anything bold.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do you recall that when Bush was first put forward as a potential candidate in 2000 that it was argued that he had strong bipartisan support in Texas and that he would attract moderates?......
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The counter-argument has already been well made.

A Texas democrat = dixiecrat. Not difficult for republicans and dixiecrats to find common ground.

Once out of Texas, the truth about Bush's so-called "bipartisanship" was glaringly revealed as a fraud.
 
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