obama won't accept current war options for afghanistan

Yurt said:
yes.....let's listen to the ambassador and not the generals
Click to expand...


Yes, what would an ambassador that is a retired Army general and former commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan know about anything? Anything that guy says should just be ignored.
 
Yurt said:
and you don't think listening to his generals on the ground, which he promised to do, requesting more troops will help the timeline and withdrawal issue? if he sends more troops as requested, don't you think this could potentially decrease our time there? if he just sits on his hands, the situation isn't going to change....
Click to expand...

He has been talking to the generals on the ground.

"I've been asking not only General McChrystal, but all of our commanders who are familiar with the situation, as well as our civilian folks on the ground, a lot of questions," Obama said when describing his war review. "I want to make sure that we have tested all the assumptions we're making before we send young men and women into harm's way."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_afghanistan
 
NigelTufnel said:
Yes, what would an ambassador that is a retired Army general and former commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan know about anything? Anything that guy says should just be ignored.
Click to expand...

so his opinion matters more than the current generals? an ambassador....really....
 
christiefan915 said:
He has been talking to the generals on the ground.

"I've been asking not only General McChrystal, but all of our commanders who are familiar with the situation, as well as our civilian folks on the ground, a lot of questions," Obama said when describing his war review. "I want to make sure that we have tested all the assumptions we're making before we send young men and women into harm's way."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_afghanistan
Click to expand...

he spent more time with the democrat loser in NJ than he has with General McChrystal
 
Yurt said:
how can we be certain? it is stupid to say....ok...one year regardless of the situation on the ground...obama has never advocated for such a policy...he has always said what is happening on the ground matters...

i am not exactly sure what his recent thinking is....he could think of numerous different scenarios about when its going to end, but none of that matters until he gets more boots on the ground...
Click to expand...

It can also end if he pulls everyone out.
 
TuTu Monroe said:
He lied when he said he would listen to the commanders on the ground. Who in the hell would know better?
Click to expand...

"I've been asking not only General McChrystal, but all of our commanders who are familiar with the situation, as well as our civilian folks on the ground, a lot of questions," Obama said when describing his war review. "I want to make sure that we have tested all the assumptions we're making before we send young men and women into harm's way."

Funny, but I don't remember this angst when bush didn't listen to his generals. In fact, it was the generals who were excoriated, not bush.
 
Yurt said:
so his opinion matters more than the current generals? an ambassador....really....
Click to expand...


It's a deliberative process, you jackass. No one person's opinion is dispositive except for the President's. It would be the height of irresponsibility to ignore what Eikenberry is saying. Now, I'm not saying his opinion "matters more" than McChrystal's but it has to be taken into consideration in the decision-making process.

Maybe you've got a good argument for ceding control of the military to the generals, but I haven't heard one.
 
NigelTufnel said:
It's a deliberative process, you jackass. No one person's opinion is dispositive except for the President's. It would be the height of irresponsibility to ignore what Eikenberry is saying. Now, I'm not saying his opinion "matters more" than McChrystal's but it has to be taken into consideration in the decision-making process.

Maybe you've got a good argument for ceding control of the military to the generals, but I haven't heard one.
Click to expand...

how you leaped to the logic of the last sentence is beyond me.....

and btw...it is you who belongs to the jackass party....donkey
 
Yurt said:
how you leaped to the logic of the last sentence is beyond me.....

and btw...it is you who belongs to the jackass party....donkey
Click to expand...


You say Obama should just do whatever the hell the generals tell him to do, effectively ceding decision-making to the generals. Maybe you can explain to me why you think that's a good idea. I haven't heard a decent argument in support of that position. Give it a shot.
 
NigelTufnel said:
You say Obama should just do whatever the hell the generals tell him to do, effectively ceding decision-making to the generals. Maybe you can explain to me why you think that's a good idea. I haven't heard a decent argument in support of that position. Give it a shot.
Click to expand...

no i did not....that is not a truthful portrayal of what i said...
 
"I've been asking not only General McChrystal, but all of our commanders who are familiar with the situation, as well as our civilian folks on the ground, a lot of questions," Obama said when describing his war review. "I want to make sure that we have tested all the assumptions we're making before we send young men and women into harm's way."
Click to expand...
The problem with that statement is we ALREADY have young men and women in harms way. And because our force in place is not large enough to handle the mission, they are at greater risk of harm.

Try to take a lesson from recent history. Things were swinging out of control in Iraq. At odds with popular opinion, we sent a large contingent of reinforcements - a surge. Within a couple months U.S. casualties dropped from close to 100 a month to averaging under 20 a month, and has stayed that way.

Strategically and tactically, the PROPER response to the problem of military being overwhelmed is to reinforce the military so they are no longer overwhelmed. This stabilizes the situation so that other means (diplomacy, etc.) can be brought to bear without uncontrolled violent insurgency upsetting the apple cart every time we get it on its wheels.

Obama is obviously more concerned with the political ramification - for himself and the democratic party - than he is with the actual situation in Afghanistan. His military advisers, those on the ground and those at home, are ALL calling for more troops. His ambassador is calling for more troops. And, in response, he "does not like any of their options" - because all of them are politically unpopular with democrats.
 
Good Luck said:
The problem with that statement is we ALREADY have young men and women in harms way. And because our force in place is not large enough to handle the mission, they are at greater risk of harm.

Try to take a lesson from recent history. Things were swinging out of control in Iraq. At odds with popular opinion, we sent a large contingent of reinforcements - a surge. Within a couple months U.S. casualties dropped from close to 100 a month to averaging under 20 a month, and has stayed that way.

Strategically and tactically, the PROPER response to the problem of military being overwhelmed is to reinforce the military so they are no longer overwhelmed. This stabilizes the situation so that other means (diplomacy, etc.) can be brought to bear without uncontrolled violent insurgency upsetting the apple cart every time we get it on its wheels.

Obama is obviously more concerned with the political ramification - for himself and the democratic party - than he is with the actual situation in Afghanistan. His military advisers, those on the ground and those at home, are ALL calling for more troops. His ambassador is calling for more troops. And, in response, he "does not like any of their options" - because all of them are politically unpopular with democrats.
Click to expand...

According to Stratford, N. Korea, China, Russia and Iran all think he is a weak president and Obama is proving it to be true daily. God help us.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top