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Watermark said:
Negative campaigning doesn't always work. In Minnesota it's looking like it's just going to elect the independent candidate. He has gained humongous ground since the two main parties started going all negative.
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I should have said, negative campaigning is more effective than sending out positive messages.
 
LadyT said:
Some people do care about McCain. And there are some indies who for whatever reason are willing to give him a chance. They don't respond well to the Ayers issue period. Its not helping him.

But I do agree that he is screwed and Obama has a clear advantage.
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It's like arguing would you rather jump out of a plane holding an umbrella or a rock. It's pretty irrelevant.

But focusing on the economy won't get him elected at this point. Period.

There is a slim hail mary miracle impossible chance he could scare enough people by pounding this ayers thing home.

Of course SOME people don't like it. Doesn't mean it's not effective.
 
Grind said:
The point is however, despite the fact that democrats THINk they know the path to republican success for getting elected, it's clear they don't.

Mccain is beyond help at this point but it's not because of the ayers issue.

It's the economy stupid.
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And the Republicans were too stoopit to see it coming. anong with most of the dems as well. But then the rebutlikens are supposed to be the business experts....and the dems just tax and spenders ?
 
Grind said:
It's like arguing would you rather jump out of a plane holding an umbrella or a rock. It's pretty irrelevant.

But focusing on the economy won't get him elected at this point. Period.

There is a slim hail mary miracle impossible chance he could scare enough people by pounding this ayers thing home.

Of course SOME people don't like it. Doesn't mean it's not effective.
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http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/369925/mccain_s_ayers_attacks_backfire

It made him look even more ridiculous in the midst of this clvsterfvck. Yes. It backfired.
 
As of now, Mccain has GAINED in the electoral college since doing these attacks. Not lost, GAINED.

It could be nothing, you could chalk it up to "poll noise" as watermark would say. But if this were really turning off so many people, would he really be breaking even at worst/gaining instead of losing states?

I am NOT arguing that doing such attacks will get him elected. I already think he's lost.

I am arguing that doing these attacks is MORE EFFECTIVE than him focusing on an issue that Obama has him crushed on. It's basic logic when you get down to it.
 
ladyt your article doesn't provide any statistics or analysis, just talking heads. Granted, some republican strategists, but in the end that article is just coming down to subjective opinion and monday morning quarter-backing. Mccain has passed the point of no return imo.
 
Grind said:
As of now, Mccain has GAINED in the electoral college since doing these attacks. Not lost, GAINED.

It could be nothing, you could chalk it up to "poll noise" as watermark would say. But if this were really turning off so many people, would he really be breaking even at worst/gaining instead of losing states?

I am NOT arguing that doing such attacks will get him elected. I already think he's lost.

I am arguing that doing these attacks is MORE EFFECTIVE than him focusing on an issue that Obama has him crushed on. It's basic logic when you get down to it.
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No, he'd probably be polling better if he went against the bailout. If he were able to get on the stage and talk about about fiscal responsibility and not bailing out risky investors with tax dollars I'm willing to bet that he'd be polling better.

But he's not and you are correct, Obama spanks him on the economy.
 
Grind said:
As of now, Mccain has GAINED in the electoral college since doing these attacks. Not lost, GAINED.

It could be nothing, you could chalk it up to "poll noise" as watermark would say. But if this were really turning off so many people, would he really be breaking even at worst/gaining instead of losing states?

I am NOT arguing that doing such attacks will get him elected. I already think he's lost.

I am arguing that doing these attacks is MORE EFFECTIVE than him focusing on an issue that Obama has him crushed on. It's basic logic when you get down to it.
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Actually, I don't think he has gained at all since doing these attacks. I'm not sure where you got your information but please post it. I'm interested.
 
The majority of the threads started on this forum are negative Liberal attacks against Bush, Repubs, Capitalism or whatever right-wing target. If it doesn't work, then why do they do it?
 
LadyT said:
No, he'd probably be polling better if he went against the bailout.
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I actually agree on this. But that was then, this is now. He's fucked himself by voting for the bailout bill. Granted Obama voted for it too, but it kind of screws up mccains plan when he says he's going to "name names" on pork barrel spending then quietly goes back to washington and hypocritically votes for BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of PORK.

McCain his entire career has been a two faced political SELL OUT. He goes the way the wind blows and chalks up his political cowardice and transparency to being a maverick.
 
Dungheap said:
Actually, I don't think he has gained at all since doing these attacks. I'm not sure where you got your information but please post it. I'm interested.
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electoral vote.com has him slightly up since these attacks started. I am not attributing these gains to the ads but rather saying that at the very worst he's breakeven. These attacks aren't hurting him.
 
KingCondanomation said:
The majority of the threads started on this forum are negative Liberal attacks against Bush, Repubs, Capitalism or whatever right-wing target. If it doesn't work, then why do they do it?
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I only come here b/c I can't complain about it to my coworkers.
 
"These attacks aren't hurting him"

You're wrong. Check independents.

He may pick up another 1-2% of "base" kinds of voters who were thinking of sitting out, but he is alienating any independent he could hope to gain. He's working on a 45-47% strategy, and not a 50%.
 
Grind said:
I actually agree on this. But that was then, this is now. He's fucked himself by voting for the bailout bill. Granted Obama voted for it too, but it kind of screws up mccains plan when he says he's going to "name names" on pork barrel spending then quietly goes back to washington and hypocritically votes for BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of PORK.

McCain his entire career has been a two faced political SELL OUT. He goes the way the wind blows and chalks up his political cowardice and transparency to being a maverick.
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Yup.
 
KingCondanomation said:
The majority of the threads started on this forum are negative Liberal attacks against Bush, Repubs, Capitalism or whatever right-wing target. If it doesn't work, then why do they do it?
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Because we care about our country asshole.
You and yours (mostly) screwed the pooch.
 
Onceler said:
"These attacks aren't hurting him"

You're wrong. Check independents.

He may pick up another 1-2% of "base" kinds of voters who were thinking of sitting out, but he is alienating any independent he could hope to gain. He's working on a 45-47% strategy, and not a 50%.
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He may not being do the best job but my main argument is that these attacks as of NOW are his best hope. He has NOTHING else.
 
Onceler said:
"These attacks aren't hurting him"

You're wrong. Check independents.

He may pick up another 1-2% of "base" kinds of voters who were thinking of sitting out, but he is alienating any independent he could hope to gain. He's working on a 45-47% strategy, and not a 50%.
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I heard someone on the news talking about that. The funny thing is that he's alienating his base too on other issues! :readit:

He just shoots himself in the foot time and time again.
 
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