Obamacare 'Glitch' Allows Some Families To Be Priced Out Of Health Insurance

SmarterthanYou said:
first, this is why most of america is in shambles. we not only allow, but approve of, any new legislation to be passed with a promise of good benefit, KNOWING that there will be glitches to fix later and that some people will suffer harshly and unjustly, but most of you don't really care because it doesn't affect you.
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Blame the Koch Bros for funding the teabag obstructionists. All town hall meetings on hc reform were invaded, and shut down. Imagine what could have been, had the govt. actually worked together?

But republicans had bigger plans to get the 'boy' out of the White House.

secondly, your 150k number is all wrong and undermines the whole claim made before this shit was passed that the middle class wouldn't be affected and by your attempt at minimizing the disadvantages and handicaps incurred by those affected shows you really don't give a damn about the suffering imposed upon those.
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The Huffpo numbers are wrong as well. I'd like to see the section of the law that only addresses individual plans, and negates the 9.5% figure for family plans.

Likewise, with no 'penalty' for this supposed demographic, what's your complaint? If people want to remain uninsured, they have the option.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
horseshit. obamacare DOES do that, or is there another law out there we aren't aware of that causes them to be priced out?
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They're priced out because health insurance is expensive. Obamacare doesn't help them through financial subsidies (as it should), but it didn't price them out.
 
Dungheap said:
I'm all in favor of shitting on Obamacare because it's fun, but maybe we should focus on the many millions of people that will be able to procure health insurance as a result of the law as opposed to the few that the law mistakenly doesn't help. I mean, these people are priced out of the healthcare market now. Obamacare didn't do that.
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It's flawed on every level good brother. It's a disaster in the making.

Not only does this flawed law do nothing about costs, it does nothing about the lack of doctors.

It isn't reform at all.

I don't criticize this corporate-written health insurance bill because it's fun. I criticize it because its bad legislation at a time when there was support and momentum to get real health care reform done.
 
Dungheap said:
Also, too, assuming that the health insurance industry wrote the law, wouldnt they want these families to get government subsidies to buy their product? I don't really get that criticism in this context.
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The health insurance industry DID write the law, AND as usual, they wrote it to look out for themselves .. which is why health care reform was needed in the first place.

Obama is a corporatist .. how is that not known?
 
blackascoal said:
It's flawed on every level good brother. It's a disaster in the making.

Not only does this flawed law do nothing about costs, it does nothing about the lack of doctors.

It isn't reform at all.

I don't criticize this corporate-written health insurance bill because it's fun. I criticize it because its bad legislation at a time when there was support and momentum to get real health care reform done.
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I know. I know. The bill sucks because it isn't your idea of a good bill, nothwithstanding that it provides access to health insurance (and healthcare) for tens of millions of Americans that could otherwise not get it.
 
blackascoal said:
The health insurance industry DID write the law, AND as usual, they wrote it to look out for themselves .. which is why health care reform was needed in the first place.

Obama is a corporatist .. how is that not known?
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How does the the health insurance industry benefit by not helping people buy insurance? I don't get it.
 
Dungheap said:
I know. I know. The bill sucks because it isn't your idea of a good bill, nothwithstanding that it provides access to health insurance (and healthcare) for tens of millions of Americans that could otherwise not get it.
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Exactly WHO is going to administer it to them?

Let me repeat this again .. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH DOCTORS .. and, there are fewer and fewer who will even accept Medicare let alone Medicaid.

This isn't bashing .. it's the truth
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Ignoring the truths is why we got a corporatist bill disguised as reform in the first place, and it's why America is in the situation that it is.
 
blackascoal said:
Exactly WHO is going to administer it to them?

Let me repeat this again .. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH DOCTORS .. and, there are fewer and fewer who will even accept Medicare let alone Medicaid.

This isn't bashing .. it's the truth
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Ignoring the truths is why we got a corporatist bill disguised as reform in the first place, and it's why America is in the situation that it is.
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Yeah, you're right. Low income people shouldn't get access to doctors because there aren't enough of them and only people fortunate enough to have insurance now should have that access.
 
Dungheap said:
How does the the health insurance industry benefit by not helping people buy insurance? I don't get it.
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The status quo suits them just fine.

Still, they are the biggest beneficiaries of this bill.

They get millions more people who will be mandated to buy their crappy insurance.

You cannot allow the health insurance industry to write legislation designed to reign in the health insurance industry and expect a product that will actually do that.

I'm sorry, I don't know how that isn't just intuitive.
 
Dungheap said:
Yeah, you're right. Low income people shouldn't get access to doctors because there aren't enough of them and only people fortunate enough to have insurance now should have that access.
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Now you're twisting my words instead of addressing the issue.

ALL Americans should have access to affordable healthcare .. but you aren't going to get that when you rely on corporatists to do that.

Medicare-for-All was the easy solution that stared them in the face .. and OBAMA rejected it.

Now I'm the bad guy because I point out the failures and impending disasters?
 
Althea said:
Blame the Koch Bros for funding the teabag obstructionists. All town hall meetings on hc reform were invaded, and shut down. Imagine what could have been, had the govt. actually worked together?

But republicans had bigger plans to get the 'boy' out of the White House.
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your entire argument is worthless when you blame it on racism.
 
Dungheap said:
They're priced out because health insurance is expensive. Obamacare doesn't help them through financial subsidies (as it should), but it didn't price them out.
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I was very clear, both before and after this law was passed, that because obamacare doesn't do anything with the cost of health insurance, other than enrich the health insurance industry, that people would be priced out. This is a direct result of the failure of obamacare to fix the health insurance industry.
 
blackascoal said:
Now you're twisting my words instead of addressing the issue.

ALL Americans should have access to affordable healthcare .. but you aren't going to get that when you rely on corporatists to do that.

Medicare-for-All was the easy solution that stared them in the face .. and OBAMA rejected it.

Now I'm the bad guy because I point out the failures and impending disasters?
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Ironically, Red State governors are going to help us get a public option. By refusing to set up exchanges, these states will have the availability of govt. exchanges. Granted, they'll start off as private ins exchanges, but that's what Medicare is now.


Just out of curiousity...you've stated that more and more doctors will refuse Medicare, creating a shortage.

How can 'Medicare for all' work, if there are no doctors that will accept it?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I was very clear, both before and after this law was passed, that because obamacare doesn't do anything with the cost of health insurance, other than enrich the health insurance industry, that people would be priced out. This is a direct result of the failure of obamacare to fix the health insurance industry.
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Mandatory 80% MLRs is the first step. Some states have absolutely no regulations on hc insurance pricing. Others do. Each state will suffer the effects of their policies.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I was very clear, both before and after this law was passed, that because obamacare doesn't do anything with the cost of health insurance, other than enrich the health insurance industry, that people would be priced out. This is a direct result of the failure of obamacare to fix the health insurance industry.
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You're just ignoring the present state of healthcare and health insurance where tens of millions of people are priced out. Obamacare helps a whole hell of a lot of people afford health insurance. That there is a small group that Obamacare doesnt help (what the OP is about) is unfortunate, but Obamacare didn't cause the problem, it just didn't fix it for these folks.
 
blackascoal said:
Now you're twisting my words instead of addressing the issue.

ALL Americans should have access to affordable healthcare .. but you aren't going to get that when you rely on corporatists to do that.

Medicare-for-All was the easy solution that stared them in the face .. and OBAMA rejected it.

Now I'm the bad guy because I point out the failures and impending disasters?
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Right. We're back to the law sucks because it isn't the law I wanted while ignoring its benefits.
 
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