Obamacare screws the young & healthy

[Althea]

How on Earth do you conclude the taxpayers were paying for his health care membership?

I read this forum, and witness how some peoples' heads are just hornets' nests and distorted perceptions... makes me understand how Obama got elected.

Who do you think paid for the vast majority of all healthcare in this country?

Still don't know how FICA monies get into the general fund?

 

[Dantès]

I was explaining about a week ago to the fanatic libs here that these policies dol not meet the minimum requirements of the individual mandate, and that people are losing them. They called me a "lair."

The is probably because they were a rip-off and a benefit to the insurance companies and the employers but not to the employees who as I already noted would be screwed at the ends of their lives by health care costs.

 

[Taft2016]

Who do you think paid for the vast majority of all healthcare in this country?

She said her son's employer paid for his health insurance. What is the basis for you to make the leap in assuming the taxpayers paid for his health club membership?

Still don't know how FICA monies get into the general fund?

Yeah, I do. But the point remains, the gov't keeps your SS contributions if you die, which is apparently "news" to you.

 

[Taft2016]

But it's quite an interesting process, this whole Social Security thing.

First the gov't comes to me and my employer for SS payments. That's two of us paying into the system in my name.

Then the gov't "borrows" the money and places a treasury note in its place.

Then the gov't comes back to me and my employer, this time not as SS clients, but as taxpayers, and hits us up again to pay off the treasury note and put my money back into Social Security.

It's a wonderful system where at least four, probably more, payments are made in my name, for something that I'll probably never be able to collect.

 

[Althea]

She said her son's employer paid for his health insurance. What is the basis for you to make the leap in assuming the taxpayers paid for his health club membership?

All monies that employers pay toward insurance/health clubs are a writeoff. A tax deduction. That's untaxed income, as these perks are in lieu of salary.

Yeah, I do. But the point remains, the gov't keeps your SS contributions if you die, which is apparently "news" to you.

Keeps? You mean they pay interest on the borrowed money, continue to make SS payments to those who collect, but you think they 'keep' it? Your claim is that they remove the deceased's monies from the SS rolls?

But it's quite an interesting process, this whole Social Security thing.

First the gov't comes to me and my employer for SS payments. That's two of us paying into the system in my name.

Then the gov't "borrows" the money and places a treasury note in its place.

Then the gov't comes back to me and my employer, this time not as SS clients, but as taxpayers, and hits us up again to pay off the treasury note and put my money back into Social Security.

It's a wonderful system where at least four, probably more, payments are made in my name, for something that I'll probably never be able to collect.

Excellent! I've forced you to learn something today!

My work here is done.

 

[Althea]

It's a wonderful system where at least four, probably more, payments are made in my name, for something that I'll probably never be able to collect.

Do 'you' collect on a life insurance policy? If you had an accident, and were disabled, you'd collect SS. If you live to 65, you'll collect.

Your point is taken, re. the exact way the system works, but that's a different topic. Take solace in knowing that you only funded 1/2 of your SS benefits

 

[The Dude]

Teabaggers are astonishingly dumb on the tax code!

 

[Taft2016]

All monies that employers pay toward insurance/health clubs are a writeoff. A tax deduction.

So tax deductions are now taxpayer-provided benefits?

So tell me, why the hell are taxpayers being forced to pay for other peoples' kids? Mortgage deductions? etc.?

Keeps? You mean they pay interest on the borrowed money, continue to make SS payments to those who collect, but you think they 'keep' it? Your claim is that they remove the deceased's monies from the SS rolls?

Yes, keeps. As in, Client paid into retirement fund, dies before collecting, the gov't keeps the money. There's only two ways to go here; they either a) keep it. b) return payments to the estate.

Duh.

Excellent! I've forced you to learn something today!

My work here is done.

You're batshit crazy.

 

[Taft2016]

Do 'you' collect on a life insurance policy? If you had an accident, and were disabled, you'd collect SS. If you live to 65, you'll collect.

Your point is taken, re. the exact way the system works, but that's a different topic.

But that's the topic I was talking about.

Take solace in knowing that you only funded 1/2 of your SS benefits

That's not true. How many times do I, and my employer, have to pay off the treasury bills as taxpayers?

We're paying into it both as Social Security clients *AND* as taxpayers.

So, stop lying.

 

[Althea]

So tax deductions are now taxpayer-provided benefits?

Correct. See? You ARE teachable.

So tell me, why the hell are taxpayers being forced to pay for other peoples' kids? Mortgage deductions? etc.?

Homeowners fund education. As such, they get a mortgage interest deduction, not a mortgage deduction. Parents get a pittance per year to help feed their kids. Do you think it's enough for the entire year?

Yes, keeps. As in, Client paid into retirement fund, dies before collecting, the gov't keeps the money. There's only two ways to go here; they either a) keep it. b) return payments to the estate.

Duh.

Well, no. The only way to go, is the way the law was written. Someone who lives longer than you, will get some of your money. Or, you will get some of the money from someone who dies before you. More important, is to discern how much you paid in, vs. how much you might collect if you hurt yourself, and are disabled.

There's a reason they call it 'insurance'.

The disability end of the program needs a total revamp, though.

You're batshit crazy.

And I've forced you to be just a little smarter now, than you were an hour ago.

 

[Taft2016]

Teabaggers are astonishingly dumb on the tax code!

So basically you, our resident trailer park financial wizard, accept the long-espoused liberal premise that when the government does not take something from you, the government has in fact given you something?

That: not taking = giving

???

 

[The Dude]

Taft is dumber than I thought, way to teach him up.
Maybe he's a pimple faced freshman not a fat old teabagger

 

[Taft2016]

Correct. See? You ARE teachable.

No, you're nuts. Not taking =/= giving.

If a stickup man is going to rob me at gunpoint and changes his mind, can then walk up to me and say "Hey, everything you have in your wallet I just gave to you"? Nonsensical. Ilogical.

Homeowners fund education. As such, they get a mortgage interest deduction, not a mortgage deduction. Parents get a pittance per year to help feed their kids. Do you think it's enough for the entire year?

And employers providing health care to their employees only get a write off as well. It's also a pittance coming back to them.

Well, no. The only way to go, is the way the law was written. Someone who lives longer than you, will get some of your money.

And duhhhhhhh, that's the point. "MY" money. From the first utterance, that was the POINT. You imbecile.

If I die a mutual fund doesn't use my money to pay other clients. That's illegal. The money is returned to my estate, because it's my money.

And I've forced you to be just a little smarter now, than you were an hour ago.

If you need the confidence building, keep telling yourself that. You're a moron.

 

[Taft2016]

And this conversation started when I pointed out that the Bush Social Security reform would have allowed a person to leave a small inheritance of "their money" when they died.

As opposed to the system keeping all of the money as it now does.

To you, this was "news."

Because you're ignorant.

 

[Taft2016]

Taft is dumber than I thought, way to teach him up.
Maybe he's a pimple faced freshman not a fat old teabagger

Ad hominems without supporting arguments is classic debate failure.

...and before you respond with the highly predictable "But you used ad hominems"...

The difference is, I answered all the points as well.

You didn't.

Oh, the epic fail!

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Will the young invincibles opt out?

If so, watch the Obamacare house of cards collapse, paving the way for single-payer Socialized medicine.

That was the goal the entire time. B. Hussein Yobabymama never intended for this to work. First me must dismantle the notion of private sector insurance and decouple insurance from employment. That is what he did with the individual mandate and delaying the employer mandate.

Then their hope is to have people screaming for single payor.

The GOP is fucking up because they never come up with their own reforms and push them. They are idiots which is why I left the party

 

[Althea]

And this conversation started when I pointed out that the Bush Social Security reform would have allowed a person to leave a small inheritance of "their money" when they died.

As opposed to the system keeping all of the money as it now does.

To you, this was "news."

Because you're ignorant.

Bush's SSI privatization would've left everyone's coffers empty.

 

[Althea]

No, you're nuts. Not taking =/= giving.

If a stickup man is going to rob me at gunpoint and changes his mind, can then walk up to me and say "Hey, everything you have in your wallet I just gave to you"? Nonsensical. Ilogical.

What's illogical, is your 'taxes are illegal' idiotic thinking. If you live in any society, you must contribute to same.

And employers providing health care to their employees only get a write off as well. It's also a pittance coming back to them.

School funding is a paper push. Employer deductions aren't. Society gets nothing in exchange for our funding of everyone's health insurance....except maybe, for health insurance. Not gym memberships.

And duhhhhhhh, that's the point. "MY" money. From the first utterance, that was the POINT. You imbecile.

If I die a mutual fund doesn't use my money to pay other clients. That's illegal. The money is returned to my estate, because it's my money.

Your employer doesn't contribute half of your mutual fund payment, and a portion of your fund will indeed go to the govt upon your death. That is, provided your mutual fund didn't lose all of your money.

If you need the confidence building, keep telling yourself that. You're a moron.

At least you now know how SSI works. Thank me later.

 

[The Dude]

Do you teach teabaggers for a living or jus ya hobby!
You are owning that clown

 

[Taft2016]

What's illogical, is your 'taxes are illegal' idiotic thinking.

Why do you constantly read things that aren't written, and then argue with them?

Are you consuming peyote or something, because you're seeing things.