Trumpet
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You ought to consider getting off the drugs, because they causing you to hallucinate.
OBAMAGATE: The Cover-up Begins
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IBDaMann
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Case in point. Your post is nothing but sheer panic. I feel for you. Have you seen @Tbird19482 lately? Terrified completely.
Trumpet
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Terrified of what???
Scott
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The political operatives, both on the left and the right, that tend to control what happens on certain issues. A good example is that both people on the left and the right were integral in perpetrating both Russiagate and the arming of Ukraine. Aaron Mate got into both of these issues in an article he wrote back in 2022, shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. It can be seen here:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
scheerpost.com
Trumpet
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This sure sounds like a right wing conspiracy theory which is design to mislead the gullible feeble minded.The political operatives, both on the left and the right, that tend to control what happens on certain issues. A good example is that both people on the left and the right were integral in perpetrating both Russiagate and the arming of Ukraine. Aaron Mate got into both of these issues in an article he wrote back in 2022, shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. It can be seen here:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
Usage by Donald Trump and allies
During his first presidency, Donald Trump and his strategists alleged that the deep state was interfering with his agenda and that the
United States Department of Justice was part of the deep state because it did not prosecute Huma Abedin or James Comey. Some Trump allies and right-wing media outlets alleged that Obama was coordinating a deep state resistance to Trump.
Deep state conspiracy theory in the United States - Wikipedia
Scott
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This sure sounds like a right wing conspiracy theory which is design to mislead the gullible feeble minded.The political operatives, both on the left and the right, that tend to control what happens on certain issues. A good example is that both people on the left and the right were integral in perpetrating both Russiagate and the arming of Ukraine. Aaron Mate got into both of these issues in an article he wrote back in 2022, shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. It can be seen here:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
Usage by Donald Trump and allies
During his first presidency, Donald Trump and his strategists alleged that the deep state was interfering with his agenda and that the
United States Department of Justice was part of the deep state because it did not prosecute Huma Abedin or James Comey. Some Trump allies and right-wing media outlets alleged that Obama was coordinating a deep state resistance to Trump.
Deep state conspiracy theory in the United States - Wikipedia
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From what I've seen, Trump will use whatever tools are at hand to advance his own agenda. That being said, that doesn't change the fact that Russiagate was contrived. Interestingly, it looks like James Comey may have been unwilling to go along with the farce. Well known journalist Aaron Mate mentions James Comey only once in a recent article on Russiagate. The complete article is here:
US intel hid high-level doubts about "Russian interference", docs reveal
The NSA and FBI expressed "low confidence" that Russia hacked and leaked DNC emails to help Trump, documents show. US intelligence leaders concealed this dissent and told a different story.
substack.com
I'll quote the sole reference to James Comey below:
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Despite the lingering divisions over the evidence for alleged Russian hacking, a meeting between President Obama and top principals just one day later claimed to have reached a united front. On Dec. 9, Obama huddled with top national security officials, including Clapper and Brennan, at the White House. Notably, the two agencies that had previously dissented on Russian hacking – the FBI and NSA – were not represented by their respective leaders, James Comey and Mike Rogers, but instead by deputies Andrew McCabe and Richard Ledgett. According to a newly declassified summary of that meeting, the Principals Committee resolved to “publicly release and attribute to Russian intelligence services technical and other information ... in intelligence reporting” from that same day. It is unclear why Obama and his principals suddenly felt confident publicly attributing the Democratic Party hack to Russia when the FBI and NSA had expressed "low confidence" in that judgment based on a lack of technical evidence.
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From there, Aaron Mate gets into his concluding remarks on Russiagate, drawing extensively on Tulsi Gabbard's newly released documents:
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Spreading the False Narrative
As Obama and senior intelligence officials concealed the community’s doubts about the alleged Russian hack and releases, as well as their reliance on a Clinton campaign contractor to investigate it, more false claims were leaked to the public.Two days after the DNI’s Dec. 7 memo, the Washington Post published a story claiming that a “secret assessment” from the CIA had concluded that the hacking of Democratic Party emails was “part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton's chances” in the 2016 election. A senior U.S. official told the Post that it was “the assessment of the intelligence community” that Russia sought “to help Trump get elected. That’s the consensus view.” In fact, there had been no such assessment or consensus, only strong doubts about the hacking allegation at the heart of the purported “Russian operation.”
Rather than refute the erroneous Post story, the Obama administration continued to promote its unsupported narrative. Three weeks later, on Dec. 29, the Department of Homeland Security, this time joined by the FBI, issued a report that newly promoted the allegation of Russian email theft. Without mentioning the IC’s low-to-moderate confidence in Russian hacking or the integral role of Clinton contractor CrowdStrike, the joint report described the alleged Russian hacking effort as “likely leading to the exfiltration of information” from Democratic Party networks. It is unclear how the FBI arrived at this conclusion after voicing at least two previous dissents. This pattern, where privately identified evidentiary holes were later supplanted by publicly confident assertions, was repeated time and time again to advance the Russia narrative.
After burying dissenting opinions on Russian meddling and leaking false claims to the media, Obama administration and intelligence officials released a newly sanitized version of the ICA on Jan. 6, 2017. Two other versions of that document with higher levels of classification were produced, one of which – a “downgraded” product below the highest-level classified one, hereafter referred to as the Downgraded ICA – has been newly released by Gabbard.
The Downgraded ICA points to more evidentiary gaps. When it comes to the ICA’s contention that Putin ordered Russian military intelligence to pass stolen Democratic Party material to WikiLeaks and other conduits, the ICA makes no reference to any evidence of such an order. Instead, it points to a speculative guess based on a psychological reading of Putin’s perceived grievances:
Putin most likely wanted his intelligence services to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012 and holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him, judging from press reporting. Given this, we assess with high confidence that the GRU was directed to pass material it collected to WikiLeaks and other intermediaries.
In the public version, the January ICA suggested that an online persona that released stolen Democratic material, Guccifer 2.0, had a “likely Russian identity” tied to the GRU. But the Downgraded ICA acknowledges that U.S. intelligence only has “moderate confidence” that Guccifer 2.0 and another site, DCleaks.com, were “under direct GRU control.” By contrast, the Mueller report of March 2019 asserted as fact that the GRU “created” and “used both the DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 personas” to release stolen material publicly and transfer it to WikiLeaks.
Most significantly, Gabbard’s new releases raise the question of how U.S. intelligence officials went from their low to moderate confidence in Russian interference allegations through the last months of 2016 into “high confidence” in the first week of January 2017, a stance they have clung to in the ensuing eight years even as the underpinnings of those claims have unraveled.
In its memo on the new documents, Gabbard’s office notes that the January ICA’s assertion of a Putin-ordered effort to defeat Clinton claimed to be drawing on “further information” that had “come to light” since the 2016 election. That “further information,” Gabbard’s office states, was later found to be the Steele dossier, which Brennan and others have falsely claimed played no part in their analysis.
Whatever the case, these new disclosures confirm that to make the case of Russian interference and present it to the public as a consensus view, U.S. intelligence officials in the Obama administration suppressed ample doubts within their highest ranks.
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IBDaMann
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Tbird19482 is terrified of the truth, as always, but some truths, such as this one, are more terrifying than others.
MAGA
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All Leftists hate the truth.
IBDaMann
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Nope.
The Deep State is only on the left, and includes RINO operatives who are also on the left. Do not become confused on that point. The DNC, and not the RNC, controls the Deep State, which infests every government agency.
The Deep State's control center is "dug-in" in the US Intelligence community wherein the most sensitive of its operations, e.g. election stealing, can be made off-limits to Congressional Control (Legislative branch) and is untouchable by outside Federal courts (Judicial branch) because the Intelligence community has its own FISC court that it controls through activist judges on its benches and in which all proceedings are ex parte, i.e. only the government is present, and literally everything becomes classified (the public never gets to see any of it).
Now that Tulsi Gabbard is the DNI, she will now feel the frustration of leading an organization that she does not control, but that fools her by giving her the impression that she controls it. Religious Climate Change dogma is routinely intertmixed with legitimately classified information in order to make its extraction impossible and to force all Agency personnel to preach/regurgitate the dogma or become unable to continue working for that agency.
The US Intelligence community has thusly become the world's Marxism shrine in which the worshiped doctrines stand the best chance of survival and have the best chances of effectively destroying or severely damaging global capitalism.
Good, then you are a least conscious.
Scott
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Nope.The political operatives, both on the left and the right, that tend to control what happens on certain issues. A good example is that both people on the left and the right were integral in perpetrating both Russiagate and the arming of Ukraine. Aaron Mate got into both of these issues in an article he wrote back in 2022, shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. It can be seen here:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
The Deep State is only on the left, and includes RINO operatives who are also on the left.
I suppose everyone can define the left as they like, but my own understanding is that Republicans are on the right, regardless of whether they are for or against Trump. I decided to go online to try to see if could agree on the definition of left and right and found the following article from dictionary.com:
Why Do "Left" And "Right" Mean Liberal And Conservative?
During election years, the words left and right often bring to mind the political spectrum than they do directions in space. But where do these associations come from?
www.dictionary.com
Let me know if you agree with it.
IBDaMann
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RINOs are on the left.
I do not agree. In fact, it is highly erroneous.I decided to go online to try to see if could agree on the definition of left and right and found the following article from dictionary.com:
Let me know if you agree with it.Why Do "Left" And "Right" Mean Liberal And Conservative?
During election years, the words left and right often bring to mind the political spectrum than they do directions in space. But where do these associations come from?
Note: Fascism is far left, not far right. Fascism is a flavor of socialism. "Nationalism" is how the left turns patriotism into a slur.
Scott
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I decided to look up RINOs to see what the internet had to say about them. After having done so, I remembered that I've done this before. Here we go:
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In US politics, "Republican in name only" is a pejorative used to describe politicians of the Republican Party deemed insufficiently loyal to the party, or misaligned with the party's ideology. Similar terms have been used since the early 1900s. The acronym RINO became popular in the 1990s, and both the acronym and the full spelling have become commonly used by sitting president Donald Trump and his supporters to refer to his critics within the Republican Party.
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Source:
Republican in name only - Wikipedia
So apparently a RINO is used by Trump and his supporters to refer to Republicans who criticize Trump. No mention of left or right.
Scott
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Alright, clearly we're in trouble if we can't agree on the very definition of what the political left and right mean...I do not agree. In fact, it is highly erroneous.I decided to go online to try to see if [we] could agree on the definition of left and right and found the following article from dictionary.com:
Why Do "Left" And "Right" Mean Liberal And Conservative?
During election years, the words left and right often bring to mind the political spectrum than they do directions in space. But where do these associations come from?
Let me know if you agree with it.
And yet, from dictionary.com's article:
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The term far right is often used for more extreme, nationalistic viewpoints, including fascism and some oppressive ideologies.
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Now, don't get me wrong, I know that the term "far right" is frequently used as a pejorative, but I think this actually makes my point for me. Terms like "left" and "right" are far too ambiguous to be of much use when having serious discussions. Instead, I find it's much better to simply focus on individual issues and discuss why we believe in one side or the other.
Scott
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I've heard that the difference between nationalism and patriotism is that patriots love their country, while nationalists think their country is the best. From there, it can be a slippery slope to saying that all other countries are worse and from there, to wars and things of that nature.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Didn't we see a previous version of this type of BS with Comer and Jordan? Didn't it waste the taxpayers money and came up with (wait for it) NOTHING after months of allegations, bogus sources and NO EVIDENCE THAT WOULD STAND IN A COURT OF LAW, MUCH LESS BE ADMISSABLE?
And just in time to distract from all the heinous crap that the christo-fascist freaks and corrupt Cheeto Jeezus flunkies are dumping on the American people.
But hey, maybe it's a blessing that the Triple Trumpers and Maga mooks are offended by a guy who hung out with a statutory rapist and child sex trafficker. Took 'em long enough.
And just in time to distract from all the heinous crap that the christo-fascist freaks and corrupt Cheeto Jeezus flunkies are dumping on the American people.
But hey, maybe it's a blessing that the Triple Trumpers and Maga mooks are offended by a guy who hung out with a statutory rapist and child sex trafficker. Took 'em long enough.
Scott
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As i've said quite a few times now, I'm no Trumper, and I welcome further investigation into the Epstein Files. That doesn't mean that there hasn't been compelling evidence for -years- that Russiagate was a farce. Well known journalist Aaron Mate has been writing articles about it for years, but he's certainly not the only one. His most recent one is here:
US intel hid high-level doubts about "Russian interference", docs reveal
The NSA and FBI expressed "low confidence" that Russia hacked and leaked DNC emails to help Trump, documents show. US intelligence leaders concealed this dissent and told a different story.
substack.com
IBDaMann
Well-known member
You should be more judicious in filtering and selecting information sources. The term "RINO" predates Trump. It really does mean "Republican in name only."
RINOs are on the left.
IBDaMann
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What you just wrote is silly. I am a patriot and I believe that the USA is the best country. No slippery slope is needed. Notice that Trump isn't taking the US into any wars.
IBDaMann
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The right is marked be power in the individual, with individual liberty, whereas the left is marked by government power with centralized government control.