Crashk
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Unlike the Teabag candidates we have today, Perot actually cared about this country and not just profits for his political supporters or personal book sales.
Obama's economic record
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Unlike the Teabag candidates we have today, Perot actually cared about this country and not just profits for his political supporters or personal book sales.
Crashk
Unite or Die
Perot explained it to you in less than 3 min. Do you understand now?
zappasguitar
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Oh but you...YOU with your little chart that doesn't even BEGIN to tell the whole story concerning Obama and the economic recovery, you weren't just being the same old disingenuous douchebag out to smear the President...no no no no no no...you were just trying to have a nice civil conversation about the facts, weren't you?
And you wonder why I didn't even try to respond to your ridiculous "debate" thread?
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and as usual, zappa offers no debate, only insults. that is the real reason you won't debate me with no insults, you're incapable of civility and really not that intelligent.
now...care to counter the OP chart with facts or are you just as smart as onceler and capable of only insults?
zappasguitar
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Why should I? You've yet to provide any "facts" for me to disprove...your post is just another hilarious piece of outlandish hyperbole.
The FACTS ARE that the chart in the OP doesn't even BEGIN to tell the story, but it's simplistic stupidity is PERFECT for spoon-fed, partisan morons like Yurt, out for one reason, to discredit the president any way he can.
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really, there are no facts in the chart? let's start with the first 3 items:
1. unemployed americans and unemployment rate:
jan. 2009 Both the number of unemployed persons (11.6 million) and the unemployment rate (7.6 percent) rose in January. http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2009/feb/wk2/art02.htm
Today - Both the number of unemployed persons (13.1 million) - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
noow- the unemployment rate,
at 8.5 percent - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
3. gas prices:
Jan. 2009 - Regular gasoline/gallon $1.84 - http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2009/01/average-gas-pricesjanuary-26-2009.html
Today - Regular gasoline/gallon $3.39 - http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/01/average-gas-prices-january-23-2012.html
care to try and explain to me how the chart has no facts?
zappasguitar
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The FACT is that when Obama took office, this country was ALREADY in the grips of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and the numbers you blithely toss about were the result of 8 years of Conservative leadership and already on the rise when Obama took office...gee...guess you left out that particular "fact".
OOOPS!
The FACT is that since Obama took office, the numbers have risen, but thanks to his guidance, the numbers have COME BACK DOWN from their peak and indicate the economy is recovering despite rampant Republican obstructionism.
ANOTHER FACT you conveniently overlook is the fact that Republicans have consistently said that lower taxes on the rich will create jobs...the FACT is that when Bush took office, unemployment was 6.2%...today it is at 8.6. Where are all the jobs Republicans promised would appear if we lowered taxes on the rich?
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hilarious...you go from saying there are no facts to debate, but then when shown you're wrong again...you come up with SOLELY your opinion.
sorry, but your opinion that the economic situation was the result of only conservative policies shows you have no clue what you're talking about and only have far left wing talking points. the fact is you far lefties love to point at stats at a given time and blame bush or conservatives, but, when you're shown stats you dismiss it as "not the overall picture".....it doesn't work that way, you either take the stats all the time or not.
i have not looked over any fact, in reality i actually presented you with facts. face it....the graph is 100% accurate and no amount of complaining by you will change that. you've already embarrassed yourself by calling PMP a liar that UE rate went up after obama took office. no wonder you stick to insults 99% of the time.
lower taxes did create jobs, why do you overlook that? funny how you can use stats to suit your agenda, but when stats are shown to show something you don't like, they all of a sudden don't show the whole picture. where are the jobs obama promised? where are the jobs the dems promised? do you want me to pull up obama quotes about shovel ready jobs? you really need to get your facts straight.
Bullshit. The lot of the "poor" has not improved in the last thirty years, as you are well aware.
The middle class has been decimated by the policies of the last 30 years, the poor even more so.
icedancer2theend
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Hope this helps:
Next Release: February 3, 2012
The Employment Situation for January 2012 is scheduled to be released on February 3, 2012, at 8:30 A.M. Eastern Time.
Perot wasn't a politician.
Ridiculous isn't it?
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lol...dune is a sissy groaner who has to go back and groan an old post because i groaned his dumb posts this morning
care to debate dune? i bet you can't actually counter a single point i made.
care to debate dune? i bet you can't actually counter a single point i made.