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Damocles said:
And again, directly with all indicators showing less jobs, more foreclosures, more credit card defaults, still losing. It isn't "better".

It may start getting better from the bottom, but the bottom wasn't in January. Where we were in January is a GOAL, not something we have surpassed.

You find yourself relieved after the car crash. But it doesn't make your car better because you can get it into the shop to fix it.
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It's like starting out with X # of dollars in your wallet and the Government takes 1/2 of it, every day; but nothing gets added.

After a few days, you can say it's getting better; because you lose less dollars as each day passes.
 
Damocles said:
No, in my scenario the leg has been degenerating and it is worse off than it was. There are indications that the degeneration has slowed and that we MAY begin therapy soon (but haven't yet), but it is still on the losing end. It is most definitely NOT BETTER than when it was injured, and it may still have a setback.

Please read the analogy again, before you get all excited and think you made your "point" which is, "worse is better when we have 'hope'..."

The goal isn't to feel better about the goal of getting back on the field, that is just a starting point, my leg won't be better until I can play again.
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I guess amputating part of the leg, due to gangreen; but we can declare an improvement; because we MAY have slowed the gangreen.
 
evince said:
Where were all these economic concerns when this economic house of cards weas being built?

I remember some constwantly screaming "more Millionaires" and saying CEOs deserve k400 times what the average worker makes.

The right will never be able to claim they are the fiscal party.

Twice now in history you guys failed to head off economic disastor and now yet again you are screaming for sitting on our hands instead of dealing with the problem.

You are now known as the idiot party who opperates on greed and wears blinders.

This problem was fed during the Bush terms and every attempt to warn you it was coming met with idiotic screams of "Doom and Gloomer" or "You just hate Bush".

You guys wrecked the car and now you want to scream at the people who are taking it in to get fixed.

While we fix the car and add the oil, transmission fluid, new tires, new plugs, oil filter and fill it with gas you scream nothing should be done because the car will just get worse if we do we will continue to plan the next destination.

You will then scream you should be allowed to drive because someone else is at fault for you wrecking the car.

Your party has been outed for the fools you are. Its going to take another 30 years before you can convince anyone that you are the "fiscal" party.

Have fun in the shadows
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And now you finally let your true agenda free to roam.
You don't care shit, except about pointing fingers and trying to build your hypocritical high horse. :good4u:
Unfortunetly you've forgotten one thing. Everytime you point a finger at someone else, you are also pointing three back at you. :palm:
 
Topspin said:
now your being a simpleton yourself.
The jobs number will indeed be worse for at least a year.
But GDP and hiring are going to explode in 2010. If your saying the economy as a whole is not better till the unemployment rates gets back down, keep shorting those stocks and I'll come back in 6 months laughing my ass off.
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No, I am saying that it is not "better than January." That was the point we had a disconnect. In January the unemployment numbers were at 7%, in January there were less than half the foreclosures, in January the credit cards were not at crunch period, in January the President was promising that the unemployment numbers wouldn't go past 8%, in January... well, I think you get the picture.
 
Topspin said:
I for one am not shocked you don't know dick about the economy.
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lol...and your knowledge is limited to how much you can put in your pocket by selling short for a day.....child, I know more about the economy than you ever will....shucks, I know more about everything than you ever will....
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And now you finally let your true agenda free to roam.
You don't care shit, except about pointing fingers and trying to build your hypocritical high horse. :good4u:
Unfortunetly you've forgotten one thing. Everytime you point a finger at someone else, you are also pointing three back at you. :palm:
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I don't think Desh has ever hidden her 'agenda' or feelings. In a way she does provide some levity. The idea that Washington D.C. can be so easily broken down between the two parties and that we can say this is 100% you and this is 100% them is pretty comical.

Some people like Watermark troll for fun. The beauty with Desh is she really believes what she says. I believe she said she is an athiest so to her the DemocratIC party is like her God. In a way it's kind of cute. There's partisanship and then there's Desh. Kind of cool to have your name be used in that way.
 
As one who had a job in January 2009 and doesn't have one in December 2009, January 2009 was far better. Fuck you guys!

lol...
 
cawacko said:
I don't think Desh has ever hidden her 'agenda' or feelings. In a way she does provide some levity. The idea that Washington D.C. can be so easily broken down between the two parties and that we can say this is 100% you and this is 100% them is pretty comical.

Some people like Watermark troll for fun. The beauty with Desh is she really believes what she says. I believe she said she is an athiest so to her the DemocratIC party is like her God. In a way it's kind of cute. There's partisanship and then there's Desh. Kind of cool to have your name be used in that way.
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At least it keeps her occupied. :cof1:
 
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evince said:
Where were all these economic concerns when this economic house of cards weas being built?

I remember some constwantly screaming "more Millionaires" and saying CEOs deserve k400 times what the average worker makes.

The right will never be able to claim they are the fiscal party.

Twice now in history you guys failed to head off economic disastor and now yet again you are screaming for sitting on our hands instead of dealing with the problem.

You are now known as the idiot party who opperates on greed and wears blinders.

This problem was fed during the Bush terms and every attempt to warn you it was coming met with idiotic screams of "Doom and Gloomer" or "You just hate Bush".

You guys wrecked the car and now you want to scream at the people who are taking it in to get fixed.

While we fix the car and add the oil, transmission fluid, new tires, new plugs, oil filter and fill it with gas you scream nothing should be done because the car will just get worse if we do we will continue to plan the next destination.

You will then scream you should be allowed to drive because someone else is at fault for you wrecking the car.

Your party has been outed for the fools you are. Its going to take another 30 years before you can convince anyone that you are the "fiscal" party.

Have fun in the shadows
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Damocles said:
:rolleyes:

*sigh*

My point is (And I'll speak slowly for the little fire rings in the smilie scenario added by Onceler.) that the economy is not "better" than in January. The prognosis is starting to look like we might be able to start building back to the numbers we had back then, but until we surpass those numbers we are not "better than January".

I have been clear, I have been concise, I have made my point so well that the only answer you have is "would you trade how you felt then for how you feel now"? The reality is I would trade those numbers for the numbers we have now in a heart beat, and for good reason.

They. Were. Better. Numbers.

In order to be "better" than those numbers we will need to surpass them.

Earlier you said you understood my point, yet you continue to try to get me to say something that I don't believe just because you feel better now than you used to.
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The numbers were better... the outlook was worse and is better now!
 
Superfreak said:
You do realize that from an economic standpoint that IS a goal that is on the way to where we want to be?

We cannot get back to where we were in October of 2007 without passing back through the point where we were in January 2009.

Only a moron (which in politics there are a plenty) would NOT want us to go back to that level.
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If you are talking pure numbers you are correct.

As far as the overall economy I hope we never go back to where we were in January of 09'
 
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