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Odd Glow of Military Victory on Liberals
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Anyone remember back during the 2008 campaign when Obama said he would take action on intelligence if it showed that Osama was in Pakistan without informing the Pakistani government, if necessary, and Dixie and Dano and WRL and maybe a few others said Obama wanted to invade Pakistan?
Good times.
Good times.
Bfgrn
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Nice partisan whine Dixie.
As a liberal, I was 100% behind President Bush when we went into Afghanistan after 9/11. I even recall watching numerous Rumsfeld press briefings. But I also recall his angst that Afghanistan had no 'hard targets'. It was a clue as to why we went into Iraq...plenty of 'hard targets' there. We had a military that was not built for man intensive combat. It was too hard and tedious. It denied our military/industrial complex from flexing their muscle...bombing the shit out of cities and buildings. Problem is innocent people live in cities.
When talk turned to Iraq, it sent red flags up for me. I was totally against going in there. I smelled a skunk. It turned into a fiasco that cost us dearly in blood and treasure. It cost the people of Iraq even more dearly. Their only crime was living under a dictator who was our friend, then our enemy.
So say a prayer for our brave troops, and for all the innocent men women and children that were exterminated in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush
It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood...War is hell.
General William Tecumseh Sherman
As a liberal, I was 100% behind President Bush when we went into Afghanistan after 9/11. I even recall watching numerous Rumsfeld press briefings. But I also recall his angst that Afghanistan had no 'hard targets'. It was a clue as to why we went into Iraq...plenty of 'hard targets' there. We had a military that was not built for man intensive combat. It was too hard and tedious. It denied our military/industrial complex from flexing their muscle...bombing the shit out of cities and buildings. Problem is innocent people live in cities.
When talk turned to Iraq, it sent red flags up for me. I was totally against going in there. I smelled a skunk. It turned into a fiasco that cost us dearly in blood and treasure. It cost the people of Iraq even more dearly. Their only crime was living under a dictator who was our friend, then our enemy.
So say a prayer for our brave troops, and for all the innocent men women and children that were exterminated in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush
It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood...War is hell.
General William Tecumseh Sherman
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you keep proving me right over and over....you can't help it
Ah - more reading issues. Should have known.
In Yurtsie-ville, "don't think it was his top priority" = "stopped looking and didn't care." They mean exactly the same thing.
I've gotta say; I have really missed arguing obvious word meanings with you....
Crashk
Unite or Die
Appearing today on Fox News Sunday, President Bush laid into Sen. Barack Obama, claiming he would "attack Pakistan" and "embrace" Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"I certainly don't know what he believes in," Bush said when asked if there had been a "rush to judgment" about Obama. "The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmadinejad."
Bush added he doesn't think people know enough about Obama -- but wouldn't comment on why, if that's the case, so many are supporting him.
In fact, Obama has not advocated either for attacking Pakistan or embracing Ahmadinejad. Obama has said that the U.S. should be willing to strike against al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if the country's president Pervez Musharraf refuses...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/10/bush-obama-would-attack-p_n_85885.html
He said he would do it in 2007
(Reuters)Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:26pm EDT - Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama said on Wednesday the United States must be willing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan, adopting a tough tone after a chief rival accused him of naivete in foreign policy.
Obama's stance comes amid debate in Washington over what to do about a resurgent al Qaeda and Taliban in areas of northwest Pakistan that President Pervez Musharraf has been unable to control, and concerns that new recruits are being trained there for a September 11-style attack against the United States.
Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/01/us-usa-politics-obama-idUSN0132206420070801
Yea... good times
I do remember that.... I had forgotten about WRL..
Blackflag
Junior Member
Yes, I do remember that. I think I made some comments to the fact that if terrorists are in Pakistan we should kill them without getting approval from Pakistan. Someone should dig that thread up.
I believe if you dig the thread up they were pointing to how hypocrites supported unilateral action in Pakistan that they didn't support from the previous President. Often making a point that the very same remote controlled airplanes used most often in Pakistan were used with great complaint by the previous President. I might be wrong, but I don't think they were saying he shouldn't, but were pointing to the double-standard employed.
But heck... I may be wrong. Somebody dig up that thread.
I don't know what thread you are referring to, but I distinctly remember Dano, Dixie, WRL (and BAC) repeatedly talking about Obama wanting to invade Pakistan. I'm sure more than one thread addressed the topic.
Yeah, there were several threads about it. I think I remember arguing with BAC over whether it is likely, and probably others. It would be kind of silly to invade them, all we needed was temp access to some small pieces.
If they won't help and Osama is there go get'm I say. I do remember holding conversations about the Pakistani government and whether or not moderates would lose control and we'd lose the capability to work with them reliably as well.
I honestly am more of a audio memory kind of person, I remember things like ads, interviews, news reports from TV and speeches far more than I remember words in threads....
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Yeah, there were several threads about it. I think I remember arguing with BAC over whether it is likely, and probably others. It would be kind of silly to invade them, all we needed was temp access to some small pieces.
If they won't help and Osama is there go get'm I say. I do remember holding conversations about the Pakistani government and whether or not moderates would lose control and we'd lose the capability to work with them reliably as well.
I honestly am more of a audio memory kind of person, I remember things like ads, interviews, news reports from TV and speeches far more than I remember words in threads....
Well, an argument could be made that we did invade Pakastan...
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Well, we kinda did.
In analyzing this, I have to say, this is precisely what I thought Bush should have done after Tora Bora, and we thought he was hiding in caves along the Pakistan border.. but now, it appears our entire intelligence team had it all wrong about Pakistan. There is no way OBL was that close to the capitol, that close to a Pakistan military academy, and the upper-levels of the Pakistani government DIDN'T KNOW! That's just pure bullshit, and they have been snookering us all along with this. I don't know if you can hang that on Bush or Clinton, or the NIE, CIA, or who... but the fact remains, Pakistan is not the "ally" we believed them to be.
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because, unfortunately, we need their help at times...
Dixie - In Memoriam
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"help" should definitely be in quote marks.
Help should be more critically defined.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
I remember reading somewhere once, that Obama has an axe to grind with Pakistan. This attitude separates him from Bush on Mideast diplomacy post-invasion, where Bush was working hard to keep countries such as Libya and Pakistan as allies in the WoT, but Obama is willing to be openly hostile them if he perceives them as problematic.