Odd Glow of Military Victory on Liberals

Dixie said:
That's all in your mind.

Tell me, do you think the military should design a special medal to honor the anti-war pinheads? You guys look a little bland in your desert camo.
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Us guys? I served in the Army from 88-92 including the first gulf war and Panama. I have always supported the fight in Afghanistan but not Iraq. So who exactly were you talking to Chickenhawk?
 
Socrtease said:
Us guys? I served in the Army from 88-92 including the first gulf war and Panama. I have always supported the fight in Afghanistan but not Iraq. So who exactly were you talking to Chickenhawk?
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I was talking figuratively to liberals in general, I thought that was apparent by the thread title.

It's fucking amazing how many pinheads are now rebuking the left's idiotic Anti-Afghan War position, and claiming 'plausible deniability'.

Like I said.... the odd glow of military victory looks strange on liberals, you find yourself sheepishly trying to explain your rhetoric from the past 10 years, and come up with excuses for yourself, personally.... you never did support that crazy shit! (But you did, because you supported those who were espousing it, including Obama.)

And you know what, Sochead... the strutting around with your service record, as if it somehow makes you a "better" American than me, or gives you some "right" that I don't have, didn't work for Maineman, and it won't work for you either. I am grateful to every man and woman who has ever served our country, I thank you for your service, but you don't automatically assume some higher place in discourse or opinion on issues, because of that. Your voice and viewpoint is no more "special" than mine, and you need to remember that, and stop insulting me with the silly names.

And as for Iraq, many people disagreed with how we went about that, I had my own disagreements with the implementation, I think we should have NOT gone through the UN, and NOT spent two years trying to "make the case" ...the case had already been made by Saddam, we should have done like we did in Pakistan a few days ago, and sent a hit squad in to eliminate Saddam. Problem solved! No troops needed, no war needed. But that's not what happened, and there is nothing anyone can ever do to change that now. Continuing to debate it as if there is something that can be done to change this, is borderline insanity. At some point, you really need to bring yourself to the point of understanding, it is now left to the historians to decide, and what we think about it, really doesn't matter anymore.
 
King of chickenhawks dixie, gets his ass handed to him by a liberal "real warrior" then pulls the don't look at me I have a right as a chickenhawk to talk down to anti war liberals.
Nice looking out there CHICKEN HAWK
 
Dixie said:
I was talking figuratively to liberals in general, I thought that was apparent by the thread title.

It's fucking amazing how many pinheads are now rebuking the left's idiotic Anti-Afghan War position, and claiming 'plausible deniability'.

Like I said.... the odd glow of military victory looks strange on liberals, you find yourself sheepishly trying to explain your rhetoric from the past 10 years, and come up with excuses for yourself, personally.... you never did support that crazy shit! (But you did, because you supported those who were espousing it, including Obama.)

And you know what, Sochead... the strutting around with your service record, as if it somehow makes you a "better" American than me, or gives you some "right" that I don't have, didn't work for Maineman, and it won't work for you either. I am grateful to every man and woman who has ever served our country, I thank you for your service, but you don't automatically assume some higher place in discourse or opinion on issues, because of that. Your voice and viewpoint is no more "special" than mine, and you need to remember that, and stop insulting me with the silly names.

And as for Iraq, many people disagreed with how we went about that, I had my own disagreements with the implementation, I think we should have NOT gone through the UN, and NOT spent two years trying to "make the case" ...the case had already been made by Saddam, we should have done like we did in Pakistan a few days ago, and sent a hit squad in to eliminate Saddam. Problem solved! No troops needed, no war needed. But that's not what happened, and there is nothing anyone can ever do to change that now. Continuing to debate it as if there is something that can be done to change this, is borderline insanity. At some point, you really need to bring yourself to the point of understanding, it is now left to the historians to decide, and what we think about it, really doesn't matter anymore.
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It's crazy how history is just one big blur for you now. The vast majority of the country - including most on the left - were okay with Afghanistan. It's the only military action on that scale that I have personally supported in my lifetime.

You really want to equate it with the reaction to Iraq, since you're so tied at the hip to that war, but they're vastly different animals. The left couldn't stand Iraq, and neither could I.
 
Onceler said:
It's crazy how history is just one big blur for you now. The vast majority of the country - including most on the left - were okay with Afghanistan. It's the only military action on that scale that I have personally supported in my lifetime.

You really want to equate it with the reaction to Iraq, since you're so tied at the hip to that war, but they're vastly different animals. The left couldn't stand Iraq, and neither could I.
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Oh, that's what is so amazing about this... suddenly, now that we've killed OBL and you need to grab credit for it so it will help Obama politically, you all want to distance yourselves from the Anti-Afghan rhetoric, because without Afghanistan, you can't rationalize how we could have ever gone after OBL. Truth be told, if we had followed the advice of liberals, we wouldn't have even been looking for OBL, much less, killing him.
 
Dixie said:
Oh, that's what is so amazing about this... suddenly, now that we've killed OBL and you need to grab credit for it so it will help Obama politically, you all want to distance yourselves from the Anti-Afghan rhetoric, because without Afghanistan, you can't rationalize how we could have ever gone after OBL. Truth be told, if we had followed the advice of liberals, we wouldn't have even been looking for OBL, much less, killing him.
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Nice rewriting of history. The cry from most of the anti-Iraq crowd was "why aren't we going after OBL?"

Pretty sad, Dix. Like I said - I was for Afghanistan, as were many (if not most) on the left. You're confusing it w/ Iraq, which pretty much everyone on the left opposed.
 
Onceler said:
Nice rewriting of history. The cry from most of the anti-Iraq crowd was "why aren't we going after OBL?"

Pretty sad, Dix. Like I said - I was for Afghanistan, as were many (if not most) on the left. You're confusing it w/ Iraq, which pretty much everyone on the left opposed.
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Are you saying there weren't many on the left opposed to Afghanistan as well? And what about the Bush/Cheney era interrogation techniques, which lead to the information on OBL's whereabouts? Are you saying many on the left were not opposed to that? Because it sure as fuck seems like that is what you are now trying to claim here, and I remember things quite differently. No one is trying to "rewrite" history, you seem to be trying to avoid acknowledging it.
 
Dixie said:
Are you saying there weren't many on the left opposed to Afghanistan as well? And what about the Bush/Cheney era interrogation techniques, which lead to the information on OBL's whereabouts? Are you saying many on the left were not opposed to that? Because it sure as fuck seems like that is what you are now trying to claim here, and I remember things quite differently. No one is trying to "rewrite" history, you seem to be trying to avoid acknowledging it.
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The left was always against interrogation techniques, and Iraq. The BS you're spewing is that they were monolithically against Afghanistan, AND pursuing Bin Laden. I didn't know, read or see one leftie who didn't think we should go after OBL; and many supported Afghanistan.

You just want to lump it all in together; it fits your narrative better, but it has nothing to do w/ reality.
 
Onceler said:
The left was always against interrogation techniques, and Iraq. The BS you're spewing is that they were monolithically against Afghanistan, AND pursuing Bin Laden. I didn't know, read or see one leftie who didn't think we should go after OBL; and many supported Afghanistan.

You just want to lump it all in together; it fits your narrative better, but it has nothing to do w/ reality.
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Not lumping anything in together, just stating the facts. The left was always opposed to the techniques which brought about the information leading to OBL... glad you can finally admit that, we are making progress! After Iraq began to cool off, and the left wasn't getting as many flag-draped coffins from there, and things intensified in Afghanistan with the resurgence of the Taliban, they switched to being opposed to Afghanistan too. I can show you link after link to the blogs and rhetoric from the left, if you don't believe it... but it's true. So, that's reality here Onzies, and you don't seem to want to face it.

"Go after OBL?" What exactly does that mean? Why didn't Obama "go after OBL" as soon as he became president? Ahhhh.... could it be, we didn't know where OBL was at that time? Could it be, it took another three years to discover where OBL was, so we could "go after him?" Were you under the impression that Bush knew where OBL was, but wasn't interested in "going after him?" I'm pretty sure, if Bush had known the location of OBL, he would have sent the same Navy SEALS team in, to do the exact same operation..... and I doubt he would have needed to wait 16 hrs to decide on it, the way Obama did.
 
Dixie said:
Not lumping anything in together, just stating the facts. The left was always opposed to the techniques which brought about the information leading to OBL... glad you can finally admit that, we are making progress! After Iraq began to cool off, and the left wasn't getting as many flag-draped coffins from there, and things intensified in Afghanistan with the resurgence of the Taliban, they switched to being opposed to Afghanistan too. I can show you link after link to the blogs and rhetoric from the left, if you don't believe it... but it's true. So, that's reality here Onzies, and you don't seem to want to face it.

"Go after OBL?" What exactly does that mean? Why didn't Obama "go after OBL" as soon as he became president? Ahhhh.... could it be, we didn't know where OBL was at that time? Could it be, it took another three years to discover where OBL was, so we could "go after him?" Were you under the impression that Bush knew where OBL was, but wasn't interested in "going after him?" I'm pretty sure, if Bush had known the location of OBL, he would have sent the same Navy SEALS team in, to do the exact same operation..... and I doubt he would have needed to wait 16 hrs to decide on it, the way Obama did.
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Bush had tunnel vision on Iraq. The left hated Iraq because Iraq didn't attack us and had nothing to do w/ attacking us; it was a distraction & a drain on resources. Bush even said OBL was irrelevant; the war on terror became Iraq for him, and he took his eye off the ball. And I know you don't want to talk about Tora Bora.

Obama took office, and said getting OBL was his #1 priority. And he did it. Deal with it.
 
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