Offering Water to Voters now a Crime in Georgia

martin said:
Imagine being arrested for offering water to someone? In Georgia, Republicans have imagined it. What they shudder at imagining is the coming tide against them, and depriving voters of water gives them hope. Don't know if I can imagine anything more pathetic.
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Time to come up with creative solution.

The law if passed, would likely only apply to handing out water to those standing in line on the property where the polling is taking place.

Just have volunteers stand outside the property with a supply of water and big signs advertising free water as they approach from either/any direction.

There cannot be a law against handing out water on a public street.

It's probably unconstitutional and would likely be stuck down in an appeals court anyway.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why is it our fault if you think black people aren't smart enough to get voter IDs or driver's licenses?.....if you really cared you would help them do it instead of blocking legislation.....
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There are thousands and thousands of Americans who have a right to vote, but the Republicans want it set so that if they don’t follow the State government requirements for getting a drivers license they lose the right to vote.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How long should voters have to vote by mail?

Why should we even allow it? After all, it's almost unique to the US that an election is held mostly by mail-in ballot rather than in person.
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What, other than voter suppression, would be the reason to NOT have mail-in voting?

This is the fact. There is no single race in America comprising a majority by itself anymore.
If Euro-Americans are the biggest race in percentage, that percentage will not be 50/51% anymore.
We're ALL minorities now.

Our beloved constitution gave us a government where rural white crackers are vastly over-represented.
One way or another, shear numbers will make that change.
The white minority doesn't dominate the government of South Africa anymore, either.

We can change the easy way or the hard way, but one way or another, we will change.
It's time, in fact, to get started.
 
domer76 said:
Unique to America?

So?
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There's a reason. Most nations don't trust mass mail-in voting because the voter can't be identified. These nations overwhelmingly see mail-in balloting as nothing but a method ripe for massive voter fraud.

In most nations--the vast majority--voter ID is a mandatory requirement. Interestingly, 209 of 227 nations require paper ballots and in-person voting. Less than 10% use electronic voting machines.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...untries-around-the-world-run-their-elections/
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259
https://trendingpolitics.com/mail-in-ballots-so-ripe-for-fraud-that-even-europeans-ban-them/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...l-in-voting-us-would-be-laughing-stock-report

The vast majority of nations also have strict voter ID laws in place.

https://www.nccivitas.org/civitas-review/fact-check-international-voter-id-laws/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/07/voter-id-other-countries-require/
https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...-baffled-us-doesnt-require-id-to-vote-n695241

Yet, the Democrats in the US, singularly, are trying their damnest to eliminate voter ID laws, make electronic and mail-in balloting the norm, and prevent any form of verifying voter registration rolls illegal. Why is that when the rest of the planet sees those things as nothing but potential avenues for massive voter fraud. Even the goddamned UN says it.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
What, other than voter suppression, would be the reason to NOT have mail-in voting?
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Because studies and world experience with it shows it is ripe for massive voter fraud (see articles posted in this thread by me for details). Not having it does nothing to suppress voters either so that's a straight up canard.

This is the fact. There is no single race in America comprising a majority by itself anymore.
If Euro-Americans are the biggest race in percentage, that percentage will not be 50/51% anymore.
We're ALL minorities now.
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So? What's the relevance of this in any case?

Our beloved constitution gave us a government where rural white crackers are vastly over-represented.
One way or another, shear numbers will make that change.
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A thoroughly bigoted statement there.


The white minority doesn't dominate the government of South Africa anymore, either.
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Has it made S. Africa a better place?

We can change the easy way or the hard way, but one way or another, we will change.
It's time, in fact, to get started.
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Will what you imply make America a better place? If so, how?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The article states:



The likely actual wording and purpose is to prevent partisan political groups and operatives from doing this within X number of feet of a polling station. Here in Arizona there is a 75 foot limit on such activities. That is, partisan voting groups and others with partisan motives cannot approach or interact with a voter once they have crossed that line in approaching a voting station. I would suspect the same thing is being done in Georgia for the same reason--You don't want voters intimidated, brow beat, hassled, harassed, otherwise influenced or suppressed while waiting in line to vote.

It sounds like a cherry picked excuse to me. That is, those opposed to this law aren't being honest about what's in it and using this as an excuse to condemn it.


https://www.ajc.com/politics/politi...r-becomes-a-crime/RTRIGZ24SJBRXLMSPCP6CXAJ5Q/

Took me a bit to find some actual reference to this part of this bill. As I suspected, it does exactly what I stated. The Huffpost article (and others) condemning this portion of the bill are full of shit.
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A bottle of water, while waiting in a multiple hour line to vote, is not a gift and should not be a felony.

If this wasn't about voter suppression, Georgia would lead the way by declaring election day a state holiday. Then, the additional requirements would not just be seen as suppression.

You can claim the stories are unfair...
You cannot deny this is being done to ensure less people, especially those living in large urban areas, are able to easily access their right to vote.

This is disgusting.

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T. A. Gardner said:
There's a reason. Most nations don't trust mass mail-in voting because the voter can't be identified. These nations overwhelmingly see mail-in balloting as nothing but a method ripe for massive voter fraud.

In most nations--the vast majority--voter ID is a mandatory requirement. Interestingly, 209 of 227 nations require paper ballots and in-person voting. Less than 10% use electronic voting machines.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...untries-around-the-world-run-their-elections/
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259
https://trendingpolitics.com/mail-in-ballots-so-ripe-for-fraud-that-even-europeans-ban-them/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...l-in-voting-us-would-be-laughing-stock-report

The vast majority of nations also have strict voter ID laws in place.

https://www.nccivitas.org/civitas-review/fact-check-international-voter-id-laws/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/07/voter-id-other-countries-require/
https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...-baffled-us-doesnt-require-id-to-vote-n695241

Yet, the Democrats in the US, singularly, are trying their damnest to eliminate voter ID laws, make electronic and mail-in balloting the norm, and prevent any form of verifying voter registration rolls illegal. Why is that when the rest of the planet sees those things as nothing but potential avenues for massive voter fraud. Even the goddamned UN says it.
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Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

Republicans know that larger turnouts favor Democrats. That’s why Republican legislatures all over the country are trying to minimize voter participation as much as they can. This Georgia thing is more draconian, but nothing new.

When voter IDs become free and universal, then we can talk about requiring ID. But, they’re not. And those that tend to not have equal access to those are more likely to vote Democratic. That ploy is to not prevent any mythical voter fraud you RW assholes try to concoct, it’s to minimize votes for the opponent.

You can take your laughable “potential avenues” and shove it. Despite record numbers of mail in votes, Trump’s pathetic 60+ lawsuits, and numerous recounts, there was ZERO evidence of fraud. Anywhere.

Checkmate
 
domer76 said:
When voter IDs become free and universal, then we can talk about requiring ID.
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One feature of this forum is that facts which should be obvious and self-evident have to be constantly repeated,
and despite said repetition, those who didn't get the obvious in the first place still don't get it given a second, third, and fourth chance.

Those refusing to learn anything and reveling in their own ignorance speak of voter fraud as if it were an actual thing,
but voter fraud is totally divorced from what they're really talking about--voter suppression.

Domer hits it right on the head with the above statement.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The article states:



The likely actual wording and purpose is to prevent partisan political groups and operatives from doing this within X number of feet of a polling station. Here in Arizona there is a 75 foot limit on such activities. That is, partisan voting groups and others with partisan motives cannot approach or interact with a voter once they have crossed that line in approaching a voting station. I would suspect the same thing is being done in Georgia for the same reason--You don't want voters intimidated, brow beat, hassled, harassed, otherwise influenced or suppressed while waiting in line to vote.

It sounds like a cherry picked excuse to me. That is, those opposed to this law aren't being honest about what's in it and using this as an excuse to condemn it.


https://www.ajc.com/politics/politi...r-becomes-a-crime/RTRIGZ24SJBRXLMSPCP6CXAJ5Q/

Took me a bit to find some actual reference to this part of this bill. As I suspected, it does exactly what I stated. The Huffpost article (and others) condemning this portion of the bill are full of shit.
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A sham rationale. In the intended districts, where voters languish in eternal lines in order exercise their rights as citizens, Democrats don't need to lobby them. The voters are mainly for the Democratic candidates already.
 
Make it a national holiday to vote. That would help more be able to vote.
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martin said:
Imagine being arrested for offering water to someone? In Georgia, Republicans have imagined it. What they shudder at imagining is the coming tide against them, and depriving voters of water gives them hope. Don't know if I can imagine anything more pathetic.

https://www.huffpost.com/?ec_carp=47
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I remember an incident in Ohio, where Republicans demanded in court that any Black who left the voting line to go to the bathroom, lose the right to vote. There were lines that were over 12 hours long.
 
General Sherman obviously didn't finish the job,
but it's never too late to do the right thing.

Georgia must be dealt with.
 
martin said:
Imagine being arrested for offering water to someone? In Georgia, Republicans have imagined it. What they shudder at imagining is the coming tide against them, and depriving voters of water gives them hope. Don't know if I can imagine anything more pathetic.

https://www.huffpost.com/?ec_carp=47
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I hope someone will be suing to overturn these ridiculous laws. I can’t believe the Trumpublicans are this desperate.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Because studies and world experience with it shows it is ripe for massive voter fraud (see articles posted in this thread by me for details).
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If there was massive voter fraud, the election roles are public, and it would be easy to prove. Republicans have spent decades looking for it, and have not found it.
 
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