Oil Rig Explodes off LA Coast

[Cypress]

not to pick on BP but they had that terrible explosion South of Houston a couple years ago that exposed thier less than stellar saftey record. We are better, though none of us is perfect and yes tighter regs prob needed. Exxon raped alaska without the courtesy of a reach around.

yeah, I remember that.

Wow, BP is begging the US military to help. What a clusterfuck.

I've been out of the biz for a while, but I suspect that safety and containment in deep water, hasn't kept up with drilling technology. That drilling in deep water is on the leading edge of what is technically possible, and I doubt regulations and safety have kept up with it.

The take away lesson for me, is that they are going to have to re-evaluate the nature of the technology from a safety, engineering, and containment perspective on these deep water prospects. Obviously we still need to drill there, but at some point we're going to have to laugh off the Ronald Reagan puppets who've spent a lifetime chattering like chimpanzees that companies can be trusted to voluntarily self-regulate.




Growing Gulf oil spill prompts rethinking on offshore drilling

By Marc Caputo, Mary Ellen Klas and Craig Pittman
Miami Herald/St. Pete Times

TALLAHASSEE — The oil spill spreading across the Gulf of Mexico is sending ripples through Florida and national politics, giving Gov. Charlie Crist a reason to withdraw his support for offshore drilling.

After a 90-minute plane flight Tuesday above the spill, which was spreading in an 80-by-42-mile blob, Crist said, "Clearly it could be devastating to Florida if something like that were to occur. It's the last thing in the world I would want to see happen in our beautiful state.''

He said there is no question now that lawmakers should give up on the idea of drilling off Florida's coast this year and in coming years. He had said previously that he would support drilling if it were far enough from shore, safe enough and clean enough. He said the spill is proof that that is not possible.

"Clearly that one isn't far enough, and that's about 50 to 60 miles out. It's clearly not clean enough after we saw what we saw today -- that's horrific -- and it certainly isn't safe enough. It's the opposite of safe,'' Crist said

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/28/1602507/growing-gulf-oil-spill-prompts.html


Gulf oil spill 5 times worse than originally feared

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=p&...i=g5g-z2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=c50e4df695f60f3
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[Topspin]

I read they opted not to use an automatic shut off valve!!! WTF

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I read they opted not to use an automatic shut off valve!!! WTF

yeah, I noticed that as well. That decision will come back to haunt them. Not sure what that would have cost to install, but it has to be far far less than what they are going to pay now.

 

[Onceler]

I've gotta say, something like this makes me re-think my whole position. It's like nukes; sure, they're 99% safe & clean, but when that 1% happens, it can be devastating.

What a mess; I just read about the worries for some of the shrimp & oyster industry in LA, and that's just one slice of the effect. This is a total drag.

 

[Topspin]

If it hits the fla beaches that will be exponentially worse.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

nice try, but way short. It would take 260 days to top Valdez. While not impossible they will have a relief well drilled way before 100 days.

Guess what? You're wrong again. It appears the actuall spillage is occurring at about 5 times the rate they originally estimated. That's over 200,000 gallons per day. This will make Exon Valdez look minor by comparison.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

WRONG again spaz.

Exxon Valdez spilled 11 million gallons. It would take almost NINE months at the rate of this spill to equal the Exxon spill.

Beep, wrong again duflatchee, the spillage is over 200,000 gallons per day. It will only take 40 days to break Valdez. Estimating that they will take over 60 days then it's entirely possible this could be twice the size or greater.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

not to pick on BP but they had that terrible explosion South of Houston a couple years ago that exposed thier less than stellar saftey record. We are better, though none of us is perfect and yes tighter regs prob needed. Exxon raped alaska without the courtesy of a reach around.

Well again, that's my point. Peoples fears and opposition to off shore drilling are not unfounded.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

yeah, I remember that.

Wow, BP is begging the US military to help. What a clusterfuck.

I've been out of the biz for a while, but I suspect that safety and containment in deep water, hasn't kept up with drilling technology. That drilling in deep water is on the leading edge of what is technically possible, and I doubt regulations and safety have kept up with it.

The take away lesson for me, is that they are going to have to re-evaluate the nature of the technology from a safety, engineering, and containment perspective on these deep water prospects. Obviously we still need to drill there, but at some point we're going to have to laugh off the Ronald Reagan puppets who've spent a lifetime chattering like chimpanzees that companies can be trusted to voluntarily self-regulate.




Growing Gulf oil spill prompts rethinking on offshore drilling

By Marc Caputo, Mary Ellen Klas and Craig Pittman
Miami Herald/St. Pete Times

TALLAHASSEE — The oil spill spreading across the Gulf of Mexico is sending ripples through Florida and national politics, giving Gov. Charlie Crist a reason to withdraw his support for offshore drilling.

After a 90-minute plane flight Tuesday above the spill, which was spreading in an 80-by-42-mile blob, Crist said, "Clearly it could be devastating to Florida if something like that were to occur. It's the last thing in the world I would want to see happen in our beautiful state.''

He said there is no question now that lawmakers should give up on the idea of drilling off Florida's coast this year and in coming years. He had said previously that he would support drilling if it were far enough from shore, safe enough and clean enough. He said the spill is proof that that is not possible.

"Clearly that one isn't far enough, and that's about 50 to 60 miles out. It's clearly not clean enough after we saw what we saw today -- that's horrific -- and it certainly isn't safe enough. It's the opposite of safe,'' Crist said

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/28/1602507/growing-gulf-oil-spill-prompts.html


Gulf oil spill 5 times worse than originally feared

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=p&...i=g5g-z2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=c50e4df695f60f3
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[Mott the Hoople]

I read they opted not to use an automatic shut off valve!!! WTF

I heard that too and that was exactly my reaction. WTF?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Beep, wrong again duflatchee, the spillage is over 200,000 gallons per day. It will only take 40 days to break Valdez. Estimating that they will take over 60 days then it's entirely possible this could be twice the size or greater.

LMAO.... my numbers were based on the information provided at the time spaz.

The current 'estimate' is about 1000-5000 brls per day. Bottom line, they are not sure, but I see you took the high end.

That said, your math still sucks. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons. At 200k per day that would be 55 days... not 40... moron.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

yeah, I noticed that as well. That decision will come back to haunt them. Not sure what that would have cost to install, but it has to be far far less than what they are going to pay now.

That's just goes back to my point. Oh BP will pay out the ass but they will be paying all tha jack to lawyers and to government fines. The peoples who's lives and property will be impacted will probably see about jack shit.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Well again, that's my point. Peoples fears and opposition to off shore drilling are not unfounded.

and AGAIN.... what about the NATURAL seepage that drilling HELPS relieve?

Why do you continue to ignore the other side of the coin Mott?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

If it hits the fla beaches that will be exponentially worse.

From a political stand point, you are correct. From a reality stand point, this is about as bad as it gets.

 

[Onceler]

and AGAIN.... what about the NATURAL seepage that drilling HELPS relieve?

Why do you continue to ignore the other side of the coin Mott?

Sorry; I'm too lazy to go back through the thread. Does that kind of more gradual leakage have the same kind of ecosystem & economic effect as a more concentrated spill such as this?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

and AGAIN.... what about the NATURAL seepage that drilling HELPS relieve?

Why do you continue to ignore the other side of the coin Mott?

Because there is no other side of the coin you ignorant fuck. I'm trying to be patient with you but your are completely fucking clueless about the magnitude of this catastrophe and that is not hyperbole.

What you need to do, is get off your ass and go down to where this lands on shore and just walk one square mile, just one measly square mile, and see for your fucking self the impact that this will have. See how much resources will be required to clean up one freaken square mile. Then you need to use that high powered imagination of yours to visualise the thousands of square miles that will ultimately be impacted by this disaster, then and just then you might possibly begin to have a fucking clue and that aint something you can learn from a book son. I've been cleaning up messes like these most of my adult life and I know when someone like you is trying to pound academic horse shit up my ass.

Not only will this be an ecological disaster of historic proportions, and only a nattering nabob of an idiot would argue otherwise, it is the property owners in the spill areas and the people who make their living in this area of the gulf will, as Topper so accurately put it, will get fucked up the ass without even the benefit of a reach around.

What pisses me off the most about this, having seen this to many times in my carreer, is that the idea to not install an automatic shut off valve was done with forethought and malice. I have no doubt that the prevailing attitude by decision makers at BP when informed about the possible consequences to people and the ecosystem pretty much said "Fuck them!"

 

[Mott the Hoople]

LMAO.... my numbers were based on the information provided at the time spaz.

The current 'estimate' is about 1000-5000 brls per day. Bottom line, they are not sure, but I see you took the high end.

That said, your math still sucks. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons. At 200k per day that would be 55 days... not 40... moron.

Jesus Christ are you clueless. Do you have any idea what you are saying?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Sorry; I'm too lazy to go back through the thread. Does that kind of more gradual leakage have the same kind of ecosystem & economic effect as a more concentrated spill such as this?

His argument is academic and utterly irrelevent. Anyone who has ever had to help clean up one of these messes, like me, can only laugh at such clueless ignorance.

 

[Topspin]

Guess what? You're wrong again. It appears the actuall spillage is occurring at about 5 times the rate they originally estimated. That's over 200,000 gallons per day. This will make Exon Valdez look minor by comparison.

it would still take over 40 days, they will have this battened down in less than 40 days, plus valdez happened in a bay. Open ocean isn't good but it's 1,000 times better than a bay.

 

[cancel2 2022]

While it is a tragic incident in the loss of life as well as the environmental impact, to suggest shutting down all off shore rigs as a result is just a knee jerk reaction. It is not well thought out. As the link I provided suggests, drilling can ALSO help alleviate environmental damage.

This incident is not common, but it does provide us with an opportunity to review what happened and try to establish protocol to attempt to prevent future like occurrences.

MOtt is talking about new oil rigs not existing ones.