Oil Rig Explodes off LA Coast

[Cypress]

Originally Posted by Onceler

Again: what has the economic & ecological impact been of the natural seepage, compared to a spill like this?

Probably huge.

http://www.mysterieszone.com/bermuda-triangle.htm

"mysterieszone.com."

HaHaHaHa!

Hilarious. you believe in bigfoot too, don't you?

I don't know where you wingnuts came up with this ridiculous story that we should drill to alleviate the horrific problem of natural seeps, but it seems like something you all read on Drudge in the last few days.

There isn't a credible scientist, or person who is knowlegable about oil and gas drilling that thinks natural seeps are some sort of measurable or significant environmental threat. Ecosystems function perfectly well in the presence of oil seeps. That shit is too diffuse to do any measurable damage.

Although I will admit, the La Brea tar pits are way cool. And stepping on some tar at the beach is a minor nuisance. Other than that, you've been willfully and grossly misinformed by your rightwing media.

Are there any republicans who respect science anymore? I think not!

 

[Topspin]

I'll leave you guys to your political bitchfest. Reports locally are it's hit the marsh already. This area has not fully recovered from Katrina & Rita. Let's pray or Hope BP's dome attempt works.

 

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p.s. You can smell the burning oil at my house 100 miles north of the slick.

 

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Again: what has the economic & ecological impact been of the natural seepage, compared to a spill like this?

They estimate 8-80 times the Exxon spill

 

[Topspin]

It's very very bad 24/7 now on local news.

 

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"mysterieszone.com."

HaHaHaHa!

Hilarious. you believe in bigfoot too, don't you?

I don't know where you wingnuts came up with this ridiculous story that we should drill to alleviate the horrific problem of natural seeps, but it seems like something you all read on Drudge in the last few days.

There isn't a credible scientist, or person who is knowlegable about oil and gas drilling that thinks natural seeps are some sort of measurable or significant environmental threat. Ecosystems function perfectly well in the presence of oil seeps. That shit is too diffuse to do any measurable damage.

Although I will admit, the La Brea tar pits are way cool. And stepping on some tar at the beach is a minor nuisance. Other than that, you've been willfully and grossly misinformed by your rightwing media.

Are there any republicans who respect science anymore? I think not!

So once again you pretend no one has provided links showing you the exact opposite? Once again you pretend anything that is contrary to your NON SCIENTIFIC load of crap is somehow a rightwing website?

You pretend that it must come from Drudge because you are a completely dishonest hack.

 

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Again: what has the economic & ecological impact been of the natural seepage, compared to a spill like this?

http://www.soscalifornia.org/about.html

Again, it does not compare to this spill because of the speed of the oil leaking. However, once again, it is idiotic to proclaim that drilling off shore should cease given this was largely avoidable had they used the auto shut off valve. It is also disingenuous to proclaim as some have that the seepage has no measurable environmental impact.

Suddenly it is just a minor inconvenience to have tar balls wash up on shore.

 

[Cypress]

I'll leave you guys to your political bitchfest. Reports locally are it's hit the marsh already. This area has not fully recovered from Katrina & Rita. Let's pray or Hope BP's dome attempt works.

Word. Man, it sound like a total clusterfuck. That area has some of the richest fishing grounds and biodiversity in north america. I totally dug it when I lived there.

I hope this shit can be controlled, but honestly man, I get the distinct impression they're flying by the seat of their pants. They don't know what the f they're doing. I really don't think the industry and the regulations kept pace with all this deep water drilling crap. We'll see what happens, but this doesn't sound good.

"Probably the only thing comparable to this is the Kuwait fires [following the Gulf War in 1991]," Mike Miller, head of Canadian oil well fire-fighting company Safety Boss, told the BBC World Service.

"The Exxon Valdez [tanker disaster off Alaska in 1989] is going to pale [into insignificance] in comparison to this as it goes on."

Scientists say only a quarter of local marine wildlife survived the Exxon Valdez disaster.

http://www.alternet.org/news/146669...dez_is_going_to_pale_in_comparison_to_this'_/

 

[Onceler]

So once again you pretend no one has provided links showing you the exact opposite? Once again you pretend anything that is contrary to your NON SCIENTIFIC load of crap is somehow a rightwing website?

You pretend that it must come from Drudge because you are a completely dishonest hack.

Sorry, man, but if you post from "mysteryzones," you have some ridicule coming.

This is a bad ecological & economic disaster, SF; there is nothing at all about seepage that is comparable, in even a remote way.

 

[Topspin]

I tell you man I'm chooking up typing this. My boys and I fished the west delta rigs and marsh literally from when they were in diapers till the started wrestling in high school. The shrimp and oyster industry provides seafood to rest aunts all over the country. They are already getting orders cancelled before the oil hits out of fear. They are fucked, and these are lower middle-class working people not wall street millionaires.

 

[Cypress]

http://www.soscalifornia.org/about.html

Again, it does not compare to this spill because of the speed of the oil leaking. However, once again, it is idiotic to proclaim that drilling off shore should cease given this was largely avoidable had they used the auto shut off valve. It is also disingenuous to proclaim as some have that the seepage has no measurable environmental impact.

Suddenly it is just a minor inconvenience to have tar balls wash up on shore.

Your link isn't peer reviewed science.

It's from an industry trade group, that evidently promotes oil drilling.


I've gave it a cursory look. Nothing but assertions, speculations, broad generalizations that have no basis is actual science. A propoganda website.

Get back to me when you have some actual, credible peer reivewed science.

topper and I between us have like three decades experience in the oil and gas drilling industry. And we both told you what the deal was. Carry on.

 

[Cypress]

I tell you man I'm chocking up typing this. My boys and I fished the west delta rigs and marsh literally from when they were in diapers till the started wrestling in high school. The shrimp and oyster industry provides seafood to rest aunts all over the country. They are already getting orders cancelled before the oil hits out of fear. They are fucked, and these are lower middle-class working people not wall street millionaires.

I know, the last thing that area needs is another disaster.

Shit.

 

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Sorry, man, but if you post from "mysteryzones," you have some ridicule coming.

This is a bad ecological & economic disaster, SF; there is nothing at all about seepage that is comparable, in even a remote way.

1) I did not post from 'mysteryzones'

I posted from

http://www.soscalifornia.org/about.html.... which discusses some of the ecological issues.

and I posted from

http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=57272

Which discusses the issue as well

2) As I stated 100 fucking times, no, the two are not comparable due to the fucking speed of the oil spill. As I stated 100 fucking times, my POINT is that there are POSITIVE benefits to drilling offshore.

3) My other POINT is that this spill, as bad as it is... is NOT justification for the cessation of off shore drilling. HAD BP used the auto shut off valve this would have been minor (in terms of the oil spill... it still would have been tragic due to loss of life).

So if you are not going to bother reading what my points actually are, then perhaps you should quite making the same 'argument' over and over again as it looks quite foolish.

 

[Topspin]

We don't hear anything internally about drilling to stop seepage. I'm a financial analyst not a geologist. But I get involved in capital allocation and strategic planning and would hear discussion if the opportunity were huge. get ready for valdez like pictures of oiled pelicans and our world famous redfish and oysters. 5,000 ft deep and uncontrolled oil flow is in my estimation unprecedented as we have only had the technology to go that deep in the last decade.

 

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Brazil and Norway require the auto shutoff valve. It's not proven that that would have been an affective last resort. But come on Brazil as poor as they are has better environmental safety regs. Anyone want to bet lobbyist for my industry killed the reg.

 

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Your link isn't peer reviewed science.

It's from an industry trade group, that evidently promotes oil drilling.


I've gave it a cursory look. Nothing but assertions, speculations, broad generalizations that have no basis is actual science. A propoganda website.

Get back to me when you have some actual, credible peer reivewed science.

topper and I between us have like three decades experience in the oil and gas drilling industry. And we both told you what the deal was. Carry on.

So we should believe YOU... or people who actually spend time studying the issue.

"This research was funded by the National Science Foundation, the U.S. Minerals Management Service, the California Toxic Substance Research and Training Program, the Department of Energy, the WHOI Coastal Ocean Institute, and the Seaver Institute."

http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=57272

From the website you said isn't credible....

http://www.soscalifornia.org/problem.html

Do you know... Natural Gas and Oil Seepage is the Greatest Source of Petroleum Pollution in the Ocean and Atmosphere

As pointed out by the National Research Council (NRC) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, "natural oil seeps contribute the highest amount of oil to the marine environment, accounting for 63% per cent of the annual load to the world's oceans. Although they are entirely natural, these seeps significantly alter the nature of nearby marine environments. "

Isn't that the same US National Academy of Sciences you proclaim to be unimpeachable Cypress?

Bottom line, you are a liar and a hack. You did not perform a cursory review of what they were stating.

If you had even bothered looking at the board, you would have noted the physicist is a huge proponent of solar energy.

You would have noticed with a cursory look this study....

http://www.mms.gov/omm/pacific/enviro/submarine-oil-seep-study/submarine-seeps.htm

This study is jointly funded by the MMS, USGS Coastal and Marine Geology Program, and County of Santa Barbara Energy Division

Same group....

http://mms.gov/omm/pacific/enviro/calseaotter.htm

So....

Should we take Cypress "I gave it a brief look" and all his vast experience... or should we perhaps listen to the professionals Cypress?

My opinion is the lying hack Cypress is once again full of shit.

 

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Your link isn't peer reviewed science.

It's from an industry trade group, that evidently promotes oil drilling.


I've gave it a cursory look. Nothing but assertions, speculations, broad generalizations that have no basis is actual science. A propoganda website.

Get back to me when you have some actual, credible peer reivewed science.

topper and I between us have like three decades experience in the oil and gas drilling industry. And we both told you what the deal was. Carry on.

Please show us how you determined they are an 'industry trade group'.

Obviously they support the drilling of the natural seepage sites. That is kind of the point behind their site you moron.

Toppy is an accountant. While he certainly has access to a lot of information, he is (as he stated) NOT a geologist.

You are a lying piece of shit. So your 'word' on the topic is meaningless. Put up or shut up. You demand 'peer reviewed' pieces from me, yet provide NOTHING of the sort to back up your assertions on the topic.

 

[Cypress]

So we should believe YOU... or people who actually spend time studying the issue.

"This research was funded by the National Science Foundation, the U.S. Minerals Management Service, the California Toxic Substance Research and Training Program, the Department of Energy, the WHOI Coastal Ocean Institute, and the Seaver Institute."



So....

Should we take Cypress "I gave it a brief look" and all his vast experience... or should we perhaps listen to the professionals Cypress?

My opinion is the lying hack Cypress is once again full of shit.

Indeed, I believe the National Research Council. Interesting that you cite them as a source.

Here’s the actual report and link from the National Research Council, not the cherry-picked quote you cut and pasted from an obscure pro-drilling industry front group:

”Natural seeps are purely natural phenomena that occur when crude oil seeps from the geologic strata beneath the seafloor to the overlying water column. Recognized by geologists for decades as indicating the existence of potentially economic reserves of petroleum, these seeps release vast amounts of crude oil annually.Yet these large volumes are released at a rate low enough that the surrounding ecosystem can adapt and even thrive in their presence.”


Oil in the Sea III: Inputs, Fates, and Effects (2003)

NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10388&page=2

Here’s the problem. You went to some obscure industry front group website, who cherry-picked some quotes from the National Research Council. Talk about dishonest.

In other words, you were duped again. You should have checked the actual source, instead of relying on a rightwing website.

In contrast, I went to the actual NRC report.

I can’t waste my on this lameness anymore man. Your links are worthless. Topspin, the National Research Council, and I are right: natural seeps are not a significant threat to ecosystems And this BP crap is an environmental disaster that precludes wasting my time on bogus rightwing links. People are going to be hurting. .

You were wrong. I’m done. Carry on.

 

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Indeed, I believe the National Research Council. Interesting that you cite them as a source.

Here’s the actual report and link from the National Research Council, not the cherry-picked quote you cut and pasted from an obscure pro-drilling industry front group:

No dipshit... that is not the actual report. THAT is the report from 2003. Amazing how YOU cherry picked a report that was done PRIOR to the the STUDY being done that is referenced in the two links I provided.

The ACTUAL REPORT is here (had you bothered to follow the links provided you would have known this)

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2009/1225/#content

The complete pdf is linked on the right side of the page.

Here’s the problem. You went to some obscure industry front group website, who cherry-picked some quotes from the National Research Council. Talk about dishonest.

No Cypress, what is dishonest is YOU proclaiming that they are some industry front group. You have not provided ONE shred of evidence to back up that assertion. You just WANT it to be true. Look at the back ground of the people in this group. Nothing suggests that any of them are fronts for the oil industry.

In other words, you were duped again. You should have checked the actual souerce, instead of relying on a rightwing website.

In contrast, I went to the actual NRC report.

Again, you are a dishonest hack. Pretending once again that this is some 'rightwing' website. It is not. This site actually linked to the report from the US geological survey done in 2009. You tried to find a quote to support you in a report issued in 2003. Then you pretend my sites are rightwing, so that you can run away after being embarrassed.

I can’t waste my on this lameness anymore man. Your links are worthless. Topspin, the National Research Council, and I are right: natural seeps are not a significant threat to ecosystems And this BP crap is an environmental disaster that precludes wasting my time on bogus rightwing links. People are going to be hurting. .

You were wrong. I’m done. Carry on.

Translation: "yes, I am going to go back to simply proclaiming myself to be 'right' and proclaiming all websites that contradict me 'rightwing sites'.

Bottom line Cypress.... as stated... you are a complete dishonest hack. You are also a coward who cannot stand to actually LEARN about a topic you clearly have no comprehension of... despite your proclamations to the contrary.

You are wrong... and yet you will continue to wallow in your own ignorance because this goes against your preconceived notion of what 'should be'.

 

[Topspin]

I was here a year ago saying drilling would stop seepage. It's not rocket science. Depleting the resovior reduces the pressure. Reduced pressure reduced seepage.