OK, We Need A New Law: A Special Counsel Report Automatically Goes To H+S Committees.

[PoliTalker]

We have a hole in our checks and balances system.

Big hole.

The way current law reads, The only entity which can indict the President is not entitled to see the results of any FBI investigation of the President. The only entity which is entitled to see the entire results of any FBI investigation is prevented by law from issuing any indictment.

That's a pretty big gaping hole.

A Special Counsel Report only goes to one person, the AG. The investigator and the AG are prevented from indicting the President by internal rules. The AG is hand-selected by the President.

The House can indict the President, but the House is not entitled to see the results of any FBI investigation of the President.

That's ridiculous.

That's not an effective checks and balances system.

If the President / Executive Branch is investigated, the results of that investigation automatically need to go not only to the AG, but to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees or other appropriate Committees.

The reasons are obvious.

PoliTalker anti-troll thread thief disclaimer: If this thread is stolen, plagiarized, will the thief have the nerve to use the entire OP, word for word? Including this disclaimer? If you want my take on it, you'll have to post to this original PoliTalker thread. I refuse to be an enabler for online bullies, so I won't post to a stolen thread. I won't even read it. If you don't see me, PoliTalker, posting in this thread check the author. This might be a hijacked thread, not the original.

 

[PoliTalker]

The AG is withholding evidence from the only authority which has the power to indict the President.

The AG is violating his oath of office to uphold the Constitution.

“I, William Barr, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

 

[anonymoose]

Another day in the life of a dim.
Open borders is a losing solution.
Free college for everybody is unrealistic. Dead issue.
Forgiving student loans isn't fair to those that paid them back. Dead issue.
No collusion verified.
The AG is a republican appointed by the president. Imagine that. Not fair!
Why don't dims discuss real issues like solving the border crisis? Oh, because open borders is a loser.
Your Hail Mary Russian collusion gambit flopped.
Looks like Trump's got you guys cornered into desperation.

 

[Celticguy]

Congress wrote the law as it stands. And for exactly this reason.
Get over it.

 

[Althea]

We have a hole in our checks and balances system.

Big hole.

The way current law reads, The only entity which can indict the President is not entitled to see the results of any FBI investigation of the President. The only entity which is entitled to see the entire results of any FBI investigation is prevented by law from issuing any indictment.

That's a pretty big gaping hole.

A Special Counsel Report only goes to one person, the AG. The investigator and the AG are prevented from indicting the President by internal rules. The AG is hand-selected by the President.

The House can indict the President, but the House is not entitled to see the results of any FBI investigation of the President.

That's ridiculous.

That's not an effective checks and balances system.

If the President / Executive Branch is investigated, the results of that investigation automatically need to go not only to the AG, but to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees or other appropriate Committees.

The reasons are obvious.

I think we can agree that the Founders never imagined that both the POTUS, and half of Congress would conspire against the U.S. We are indeed treading in entirely new territory.

As such, the AG was never imagined as a puppet of the president. It's not so much a flaw, as an anomaly.

 

[Althea]

Another day in the life of a dim.
Open borders is a losing solution.
Free college for everybody is unrealistic. Dead issue.
Forgiving student loans isn't fair to those that paid them back. Dead issue.
No collusion verified.
The AG is a republican appointed by the president. Imagine that. Not fair!
Why don't dims discuss real issues like solving the border crisis? Oh, because open borders is a loser.
Your Hail Mary Russian collusion gambit flopped.
Looks like Trump's got you guys cornered into desperation.

Amusing. You're usually a little more grounded...given that you aren't a trump guy.

Assuming arguendo that any of the above nonsense were valid, trump is still going to lose in '20.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello anonymoose,

Another day in the life of a dim.
Open borders is a losing solution.
Free college for everybody is unrealistic. Dead issue.
Forgiving student loans isn't fair to those that paid them back. Dead issue.
No collusion verified.
The AG is a republican appointed by the president. Imagine that. Not fair!
Why don't dims discuss real issues like solving the border crisis? Oh, because open borders is a loser.
Your Hail Mary Russian collusion gambit flopped.
Looks like Trump's got you guys cornered into desperation.

A rambling disconnected screed.

Number two in:

"Deny, Distract, Attack"

We need a checks and balance system which ensures the President is not above the law. This is a loophole you could drive a yacht through. Even if we don't make it apply to the current President retroactively, it needs to be fixed so that a future Democratic President can't do what Trump has been allowed to do. Being able to hand-select your own singular overseer, who is prevented from bringing any charges against you, is being above the law. We simply can't have that. Trump shows us why.

 

[anonymoose]

Amusing. You're usually a little more grounded...given that you aren't a trump guy.
.

I am now. The left forced me into it.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Althea,

I think we can agree that the Founders never imagined that both the POTUS, and half of Congress would conspire against the U.S. We are indeed treading in entirely new territory.

As such, the AG was never imagined as a puppet of the president. It's not so much a flaw, as an anomaly.

One that we need to correct.

 

[Althea]

Hello Althea,



One that we need to correct.

We correct that by getting rid of trump, and returning to normalcy in the White House. Of course, he has set precedent for future thieves to use the office to further their own personal agenda.

We tend to move in waves. Given that nothing happens in Washington without super majorities, we're going to see a massive shift in Congress in '20. The problem, is that trump's damage is done. It might take a decade to fix.

 

[Althea]

I am now. The left forced me into it.

The Left has been impotent since trump took office. Your claim makes no sense. The Right refused to allow Obama a comprehensive plan to deal with immigration. Now it's a crisis?

You're typically better than that.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Celticguy,

Congress wrote the law as it stands. And for exactly this reason.

What reason? To protect a scoundrel?

Will you still agree when it is somebody like Bill Clinton in office?

 

[Celticguy]

Hello Celticguy,



What reason? To protect a scoundrel?

Will you still agree when it is somebody like Bill Clinton in office?

Yes. He was the primary reason for this.
This protects the innocent. The investigation is to discover criminal acts, not embarrassing ones. If there is no crime, you don't need to know.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Celticguy,

Yes. He was the primary reason for this.
This protects the innocent. The investigation is to discover criminal acts, not embarrassing ones. If there is no crime, you don't need to know.

Bill Clinton is the reason the only entity which can indict a President doesn't get to see the evidence?

How so?

 

[Celticguy]

Hello Celticguy,



Bill Clinton is the reason the only entity which can indict a President doesn't get to see the evidence?

How so?

you might remember how Ken Starr's every finding seemed to make it into the news right ? this legislation was intended to spare future subjects of investigation from this.

 

[domer76]

I am now. The left forced me into it.

Obviously, using your own brain to seek the truth was not employed.

 

[domer76]

Yes. He was the primary reason for this.
This protects the innocent. The investigation is to discover criminal acts, not embarrassing ones. If there is no crime, you don't need to know.

Trump is innocent?

 

[Flash]

We have a hole in our checks and balances system.

Big hole.

The way current law reads, The only entity which can indict the President is not entitled to see the results of any FBI investigation of the President. The only entity which is entitled to see the entire results of any FBI investigation is prevented by law from issuing any indictment.

That's a pretty big gaping hole.

I don't think it is a check on the executive branch when the executive branch is conducting the investigation. Congress has the power to subpoena, investigate, impeach, and convict. The proper checks on the executive branch comes from Congress (and the courts) and they have the power to perform that function.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Amusing. You're usually a little more grounded...given that you aren't a trump guy.

Assuming arguendo that any of the above nonsense were valid, trump is still going to lose in '20.

Against which caricature?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Celticguy,

you might remember how Ken Starr's every finding seemed to make it into the news right ? this legislation was intended to spare future subjects of investigation from this.

Right. But now we see the problem with that.

And note: I didn't not propose that all these findings be made public.