Oklahoma teacher protest

evince said:
and they all include fully funding American schools
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Sure but how are we going to do that when the vast majority of public schools are funded by property taxes and there are vast differences and inequalities in communities to fund those schools. Where I live, Dublin, OH, the median household income is $120,000 per year. Typical property tax on a 1,500 sq.ft home is around $4,500/year. In Portsmouth Ohio is $28,000/year and typical property tax on a similar sized home is $785/year. So how do you fully fund Portsmouth schools to Federal standards while paying a competitive wage to their teachers and maintaining local control?

Do you have a solution to that that isn't just a buzz phrase?

This is a serious part of the problem in education that most people recognize but few people have working solutions too and well meaning people on both sides of the aisle have worked together to try and fix this problem without coming up with workable solutions. This is indeed a son of a bitch of a problem to fix.
 
evince said:
dear fucking idiots


kids must get educated

taking courses that make you a teacher is NOT A THING TO BE STARVED FOR
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True, but anyone who has ever taken an education course knows they are still starved for knowledge about how to teach. They are among the easiest classes in college but have the highest grades.
 
evince said:
dear fucking idiots


kids must get educated

taking courses that make you a teacher is NOT A THING TO BE STARVED FOR
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Your unwillingness to answer the question, but to change the subject instead is telling.

We determine salary in the private sector by determining how many jobs need to be filled and how many people have the skills necessary to do the job and the willingness to do it. There are lots of people willing and able to teach special ed. There is no reason they should be highly compensated.
 
evince said:
schools need more funding


the rights attempt to kill public education is about to DIE
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Many do. That's a fact. How are you going to fully fund them to Federal standards on property taxes? You can't squeeze blood from a turnip Desh. A crap load of rural and small town communities literally cannot afford to raise property taxes. So how will you fully fund them and maintain local control? If you raise taxes at the State and/or Federal level then you're probably going to have to give up local control, right?
 
evince said:
hmmm its seems the right has stopped using the stupid meme "throwing money at the problem"..


GOOD

lets pay teachers and fund schools in a manner sufficient to make our schools function at a higher level
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As I said before, we fund education at a higher per student rate than almost the rest of the world. But our performance is near the bottom. How is more money going to help? Please be specific.
 
Flash said:
True, but anyone who has ever taken an education course knows they are still starved for knowledge about how to teach. They are among the easiest classes in college but have the highest grades.
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That's something I agree about. Reform post secondary educational programs to require education majors have to study the topics they teach. I'm also for applying the law of supply and demand. Sound and skilled elementary school teachers are very important but it's a comparatively easy subject to learn compared to say chemistry or math. So offer higher pay to folks with STEM degrees and education certification and if elementary education majors don't like well then they can study the hard STEM fields to earn that higher pay.
 
Mason said:
Fake teacher worked in the cafeteria, no where in Ohio teacher files does it show she worked a day
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LOL you poor dears...How would you know that I "never worked a day"? Did you forget that You posted a screen shot of my credentials....that you searched for (who does that, by the way?) Whose were those if not mine? How about a little wager?
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What country spends the most on education? By Investopedia
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The United States spends more money educating its young people than any other nation, according to a study from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which compiles educational data from nations across the globe each year. In 2010, the U.S. spent nearly $12,000 per student on elementary and secondary education, almost 40% more than the OECD average of $8,500. College spending, including technical schools and universities, was over $25,000, nearly double the average spending of other countries in the OECD. Total U.S. spending averaged $15,171 per student, slightly more than Switzerland’s $14,922 per year and 30% more than the average for all of the countries included in the OECD study.
The U.S. spending estimate includes money spent by public sources, such as federally guaranteed student loans and direct loans from the Department of Education, and private funds. Private funds include fees and expenses paid by parents and students and private student loans, which are not federally guaranteed.
Several countries outspent the U.S. on elementary and secondary education, including Switzerland, Norway and Luxembourg, which spent $19,050 per full-time student in 2010. Switzerland came closest to U.S. spending on higher education, with total expenditures per student of nearly $22,000 per year. Sweden was next at $19,500 followed by Denmark and Norway, which spent $18,900 and $18,500 respectively.
The U.S. also spent less of its total wealth on education than many of its counterparts. In terms of the percentage of the gross domestic product (GDP) spent on education, it trailed Denmark, Iceland, the Republic of Korea and Israel.



PRIVATE FUNDING


the others give a level of education that compares to our high school level and years of college without PRIVATE SPENDING included


in other words they get more for less because its all public spending

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countryboy said:
As I said before, we fund education at a higher per student rate than almost the rest of the world. But our performance is near the bottom. How is more money going to help? Please be specific.
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You're right that more money isn't the solution. It's the inequity of a system based on property taxes. Wealthy communities like Dublin or New Albany are going to excel as they have lots of money but poor communities like Portsmouth are going to struggle. So how do we spread that money around in an equitable fashion? Or should we? Do we need to look at alternatives to funding our schools based on property taxes? In Ohio the inequalities are extreme as we have some of the best public schools and some of the worst and the difference is directly proportional to the financial prosperity (or lack there of) of those communities.

In other word kids who live in prosperous communities like Dublin are receiving excellent educations (better than most private schools), are fully funded and even have endowments, in beautifully maintained and modern facilities, while poor communities can't even pay for basics like teachers salaries, school supplies and facility maintenance.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's something I agree about. Reform post secondary educational programs to require education majors have to study the topics they teach. I'm also for applying the law of supply and demand. Sound and skilled elementary school teachers are very important but it's a comparatively easy subject to learn compared to say chemistry or math. So offer higher pay to folks with STEM degrees and education certification and if elementary education majors don't like well then they can study the hard STEM fields to earn that higher pay.
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I would add to this that we have to make better math and science teachers out of our elementary teachers. For me that means departmentalizing from about the 4th grade up.
 
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