KingCondanomation
New member
Civil rights expanded freedom, UHC reform removes a person's freedom to NOT pay for healthcare insurance.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Yes. White southern conservative Dixiecrats did oppose civil rights legislation. Those same white southern conservative Dixiecrats who later switched over to the Republican party because they opposed the passing of this legislation which many still do to this day.
So don't blow smoke about the issue. Were still talking about the same white southern conservatives.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
You're only saying that because it's the same lame weak assed argument you used. Democrat then, Republicans now, there sill the same white southern conservatives today. You're point is a moot one.What a devastating blow to Solitary's argument. Nice job.
The Southern portion of the Democratic party, which has now has almost completly morphed into the Southern Republican is the group that opposed the Civil Rights Bills.
When was the last time Alabama voted Democrat?
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That depends. If the Teabaggers dominate the party and they do something insane, like nominate Palin or Huckabee, yup it will be a landslide.
Unless someone comes out of the woodwork Mitt Romney is the only one I can see that can give Obama a fight. With all the Teabaggers around.....I just don't see sanity prevailing in the Republican party.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
It was certainly his greatest accomplishment and as unpopular as it was with southern white conservatives history has vindicated LBJ. It's a shame he destroyed his Presidency with Vietnam.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Don't forget me!
I was a Republican longer then all of them but Wacko and you.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
God Dano, you're as ignorant on this topic as you are on Health Care.
It is not in our nations national security interest or domestic ecnomic interest to have such a major portion of our energy needs controlled by foreign companies and nations. If Cap n Trade and other legislation will promote the development of alternative fuels and alternative fuels infrastructure and kill the strangle hold that the Petroleum industry has on this nation the better off our nation will be.
As with UHC you're just simply on the wrong side of history and either do not know what is in our best interest or simply just do not care. Since you're a notorious right wing ideologue, I'm assuming it's the later.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
No, it removes your irresponsibility to stick me with your health care costs. This is no differant then taxation to build and maintain our roads. You're argument is lame to the point of absurdity. You're just a petulant child whose mad you're not having things all your own way.
Time to grow up kid and get your GED.
It seems its your reading comprehension that is lacking....Gingrich is absolutely correct... LBJ's support for civil rights did fracture the Democratic party in the 60's....
Read WTF he said, not what you imagine he said....
Hes responsible for his words, he can't be responsible for your lack of understanding English.
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I just roll my eyes at those comments by PMP and SM. It's disengenous and they know it.
Obviously, it's a dog-whistle to the teabagger-neodixiecrat wing of the republican party. Classic GOP tactics; whip the fringe base into a frenzy with thinly disguised references to racial politics, and fears of a black planet.
On the factual merits, Newt is actually right. The GOP southern strategy that brought reagan to power was premised on the fact that the GOP was able to peel off dixiecrats and the South in general, once LBJ authorized the civil rights and voting rights acts.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's what I meant when I said that Newt "May" of had a point there but that doesn't change the fact that the Dixiecrats were and are on the wrong side of history, regardless of the political fall out.
KingCondanomation
New member
Alternative fuels exist right now but are not bought as much because they cost more. So the domestic economic interest has already spoken and contradicts what YOU think is best.
Do you remember Mott back in your supposed Repub days, we heard very similar arguments in the 80's over losing our clothing manufacturing business and other manufacturing, do you believe that loss has harmed the nations interest?
Take a closer look at the nations national security interest and you will realize that the nations we are hostile with: Iran, Yemen, the former Afghanistan, Iraq under Saddam - we did NOT buy oil from.
The nations we DID buy oil from - Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, UAE, etc... we are on good relations with.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
wait, what? this means I have a right to drive then, right?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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LBJ did sign Civil Rights into law in 1964 and 1965, most American history books mention this, I believe. I don't see where he "made it sound" like anything other than what you are projecting into his remarks. He didn't SAY that CR was bad for the nation, he specifically indicated how it was bad for the democrat party, and that was what he was talking about, not the nation. I personally think he picked a poor analogy, and I don't know that I totally agree with his point, even in the context he made it. I see what he is saying, and I do think this will certainly have a damaging effect to the democratic party in the near-term elections, and in that regard, it might be a similar political outcome as democrats experienced through passage of civil rights. Look beyond the "rightness/wrongness" aspect, and realize he was not referring to that, and you will see what he was actually saying is different.
Like Civil Rights, this was painted as an issue larger than politics, and based on principle. Despite strong rifts in the democrat party, the leadership pushed for "doing the right thing" over "doing the popular thing" and it will have a political cost. Where I depart from Newt on this, is that I don't think it has a long-term effect on the party, certainly not 40 years worth. I think, beginning in 2010, you will see Democrats claiming Republicans "want to take away your health care!" They will get a LOT of emotional mileage from that!