OMG! Has Newt Gingrich lost his mind?

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WinterBorn said:
The former speaker was quoted as saying "But former Republican House speaker Newt Gingrich said Obama and the Democrats will regret their decision to push for comprehensive reform. Calling the bill "the most radical social experiment . . . in modern times," Gingrich said: "They will have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years" with the enactment of civil rights legislation in the 1960s.""



WTF Newt?





http://ow.ly/1phY0
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This comment was too stupid for me to even gloat over.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
Newt has been saying this for quite some time fella. Of course when he said it before his statement began with "If this health care reform bill is approved".

This is only "news" to those who want to make a hysterical deal out of it. He's maintained the same posture on this fairly consistently.
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If my electoral success had been conditioned on the same thing, I would not be proud of it, and I would try to avoid admitting it at all turns and look for ways to move beyond it.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Healthcare industry hit, next is oil (ie: climate bill) - that's you chuckles. Much as you want to spank Repubs over Iraq, you have to see that your support for Dems is going to hurt you more than anyone else on this board.

Whenever I see posts like this from you, it always reminds me of a certain quote:
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them" - Lenin
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Actually Stalin said that. And it didn't turn out well for him anyway.
 
WinterBorn said:
The reality of who did what for the civil rights movement does not matter in this discussion. Apparently Newt missed the same thing.

When you say: "They will have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years" with the enactment of civil rights legislation in the 1960s.", you are not doing the republican party any favors.
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???....I'm not sure what you mean.....are you denying that the Democrats opposition to civil rights did a great deal to damage the party for decades?.....
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yes. White southern conservative Dixiecrats did oppose civil rights legislation. Those same white southern conservative Dixiecrats who later switched over to the Republican party because they opposed the passing of this legislation which many still do to this day.

So don't blow smoke about the issue. Were still talking about the same white southern conservatives.
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get your head out of your ass.....Democrats opposed civil rights....it passed and Democrats as they existed then pretty much ceased to exist.....that's exactly what Gingrich is talking about and if you can't focus on that long enough to avoid changing the topic then keep your mouth shut......
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No, it removes your irresponsibility to stick me with your health care costs. This is no differant then taxation to build and maintain our roads. You're argument is lame to the point of absurdity. You're just a petulant child whose mad you're not having things all your own way.

Time to grow up kid and get your GED.
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??? You are still being stuck with the costs, just via insurance subsidation through taxes rather than higher hospital bills that your insurance ultimately indirectly pays for anyway. Either way you are paying for those too poor to buy it.
The big difference is that at least with the latter people who could afford it, could choose NOT to pay the insurance and pay for healthcare as needed.

And you know man, if your beef is with the law that forces hospitals to pay for others emergency care then that was all it was, NOW you will be forced to pay for all of others healthcare. Plus the Dems started that law in the 80's and the left blames the free market for us being forced to pay.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You're only saying that because it's the same lame weak assed argument you used. Democrat then, Republicans now, there sill the same white southern conservatives today. You're point is a moot one.
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Not at all sir. Your insistence that Southern Democrats turned into Southern Republicans is disingenuous at best.
 
Dixie said:
LBJ did sign Civil Rights into law in 1964 and 1965, most American history books mention this, I believe. I don't see where he "made it sound" like anything other than what you are projecting into his remarks. He didn't SAY that CR was bad for the nation, he specifically indicated how it was bad for the democrat party, and that was what he was talking about, not the nation. I personally think he picked a poor analogy, and I don't know that I totally agree with his point, even in the context he made it. I see what he is saying, and I do think this will certainly have a damaging effect to the democratic party in the near-term elections, and in that regard, it might be a similar political outcome as democrats experienced through passage of civil rights. Look beyond the "rightness/wrongness" aspect, and realize he was not referring to that, and you will see what he was actually saying is different.

Like Civil Rights, this was painted as an issue larger than politics, and based on principle. Despite strong rifts in the democrat party, the leadership pushed for "doing the right thing" over "doing the popular thing" and it will have a political cost. Where I depart from Newt on this, is that I don't think it has a long-term effect on the party, certainly not 40 years worth. I think, beginning in 2010, you will see Democrats claiming Republicans "want to take away your health care!" They will get a LOT of emotional mileage from that!
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What LBJ was referring to is the fact that if the Dems passed the CR bill the southern racist Dems would switch parties and nothing else.
 
Crashk said:
What LBJ was referring to is the fact that if the Dems passed the CR bill the southern racist Dems would switch parties and nothing else.
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Wow, really? Well what happened? Because Robert Byrd remained a democrat, George Wallace remained a democrat, Lester Maddox remained a democrat... so the biggest racists in the party, certainly did stay in the party and didn't switch.

One similarity with CR and Obamacare, is how the rift was within the democrat party. In the case of CR, the Republicans all favored it, in the case of Obama care, they all opposed it, but ultimately passing or not passing the bill, was completely in the hands of the democrats in both cases. I guess the 30-something democrats who voted against this shit, are now forever castigated as racist's who are destined to change to republicans... or maybe they get to be blessed with liberal "redemption" for their racist votes against Obamacare?
 
Dixie said:
Wow, really? Well what happened? Because Robert Byrd remained a democrat, George Wallace remained a democrat, Lester Maddox remained a democrat... so the biggest racists in the party, certainly did stay in the party and didn't switch.

One similarity with CR and Obamacare, is how the rift was within the democrat party. In the case of CR, the Republicans all favored it, in the case of Obama care, they all opposed it, but ultimately passing or not passing the bill, was completely in the hands of the democrats in both cases. I guess the 30-something democrats who voted against this shit, are now forever castigated as racist's who are destined to change to republicans... or maybe they get to be blessed with liberal "redemption" for their racist votes against Obamacare?
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You are markedly more incoherent today than usual. Maybe you should take a breather. I think things are starting to get to you.
 
Is this the same Newt that cheat on his wife, had multiple wives ethics problems but the fundementalist Christians all still love how his nuts taste. Did he train David vitter?
 
"This example occurred more than ten years ago, but it is one of the most striking applications of propaganda techniques in recent memory. A popular Republican politician on his way to the top, Newt Gingrich clearly understood the power of propaganda. His political action committee (GOPAC) mailed a pamphlet entitled Language, A Key Mechanism of Control to Republicans across the country. The booklet offered rhetorical advice to Republican candidates who wanted to "speak like Newt." It was subsequently awarded a Doublespeak Award by the National Conference of Teachers of English in 1990."

http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/examples.newt.html

Newt is a great propagandist but was outed years ago. Like most Republicons he has no credibility, except on faux.
 
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