On banning the Confederate Flag and Renaming Military Bases

The vast majority of soldiers never even knew who Bragg was, nor did they care.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
I would love to see one of those history books because I went to school in 50s and 60s. My history classes were very accurate on not only the war but the reasons for the war. So unless you can link to one of those southern apologist books one can only believe you are full of it.
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Well let’s start with;

The Lost Cause by Edward A. Pollard
The Rise and Fall of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis
The Leopards Spots and The Clansman by Thomas Dixon Jr.
Division and Reunion by Woodrow Wilson
Robert E. Lee and South to Posterity by Douglas S. Freeman.
A memoir of the last year of the Civil War by Jubal Early
The Case of the South Against the North by Benjamin Franklin Grady

Should I continue?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
OK, I’m the descendant if a GAR veteran. I’m justly proud that he served in an Indiana Regiment and did his part to end both rebellion and slavery. I’m equally embarrassed that his Grandson, my Great Grandfather was a member of the Indiana KKK during its second iteration during the 1920’s. I am no apologist for the Stars and Bars. It certainly has no place in my State if not our nation. I loath the historical revisionism of the lost cause mythogies as they, to this day, have a pervasive and evil influence in our Nation.

Most statues built to honor Confederate Historical figures were not built after the Civil War but at the turn of the 20th Century and in the 1950’s and 60’s as a means to intimidate blacks and to reinforce beliefs in Jim Crow Segregation and opposition to civil rights. If a community decides that these symbols no longer represent their values then down they should and will come.

The naming of US Military Forts after Officers that we’re not only enemies of the United States but many, like Braxton Bragg were also Jackasses and military incompetents is both absurd and ironic. Equally insulting is that not a single Military instillation is named after U. S. Grant who was by far the greatest General of the Civil war and a savior of our nation but was also the first truly modern military General. I would like nothing better than to see Fort Bragg’s name changed to Fort Grant.

Having said all this I’m critical of much that is being written at this time by polemicist who want to eliminate these historically absurd iconography (not that I don’t support that). They tend to be guilty of two historical crimes. The first is “The victor gets to write the history” and the second is viewing history anachronistically. For example this dismissive attitude of Southerners and how the could have went to war over a cause as terrible as slavery.

The Civil War was in fact, as many Southerners claim, the second American Revolution or more correctly counter revolution. The aristocratic agrarian South with it’s feudal social system was far more like the rest of the world at that time where slave/serf caste systems predominated and the small geographic regions of Northern Europe and the Northern US with their industrial revolution dependent on highly skilled free labor were in fact revolutionary. In that respect the Confederates weren’t exactly wrong in considering themselves the true inheritors of the American Revolution by fighting a counter revolution against the United States Industrial Revolution and to protect slavery and a white supremacist aristocracy. This is important history for us all to understand as it gives us an understanding of why so many good people could support such a vile and evil system as chattel slavery as that is how most of the worlds societies were at that time.

So even though we have grown as a nation and found a far superior and egalitarian way to structure our society that is infinitely superior these facts of history should not be forgotten or dismissed as old and obsolete history but should be remembered and used to reconcile this nation from its divided past.
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GRANT IS ON THE $50 BILL. FAR GREATER HONOR.
 
Don't you think that the term ' president ' smacks of preeminence ? Couldn't we dispense with it and replace it with something less paramount ?
 
Micawber said:
Debating the relative merits of serfdom versus slave. Well on the one hand....:thinking:
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Exactly but in the mid 19th century most societies on earth were feudal agrarian societies had either chattel slavery or serfdom and it was the industrialized Northern US and Norther Europe’s belief in Free Labor that was radical and revolutionary to the rest of the world.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Exactly but in the mid 19th century most societies on earth were feudal agrarian societies had either chattel slavery or serfdom and it was the industrialized Northern US and Norther Europe’s belief in Free Labor that was radical and revolutionary to the rest of the world.
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Wasn't there a mercantile class throughout the world already in city states and nation states, feudalism involving apprenticeships and compensation of employees?
You didn't need an anvil and skill to pick cotton, just throw a stick and pick to the stick.
 
moon said:
Don't you think that the term ' president ' smacks of preeminence ? Couldn't we dispense with it and replace it with something less paramount ?
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I'm sure you would prefer Grand Mullah or Caliph. :palm:
 
Bigdog said:
The vast majority of soldiers never even knew who Bragg was, nor did they care.
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Then why were there so many journals by common Confederate soldiers That clearly showed they despised the man and why did his own officers to a man, in the presence of Jefferson Davis vote to remove him from command before the Battle of Chattanooga which Bragg then promptly lost.

It is you sir who is attempting to defend revisionist historical lies that have propagated the revisionist lies of the lost cause mythologies and who opposes teaching the actual history. It is you and those who created and supported the lost cause mythologies that are guilty of trying to rewrite history.
 
Republicans blame the Civil War on Democrats.
But yet it's the Republicans who are defenders of Confederate sympathizers and
are supporters of the second Confederate President,Trump.
 
Micawber said:
Wasn't there a mercantile class throughout the world already in city states and nation states, feudalism involving apprenticeships and compensation of employees?
You didn't need an anvil and skill to pick cotton, just throw a stick and pick to the stick.
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Certainly their was but they were a small segment of the population in those feudal societies and not the vast majority as it is today.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Then why were there so many journals by common Confederate soldiers That clearly showed they despised the man and why did his own officers to a man, in the presence of Jefferson Davis vote to remove him from command before the Battle of Chattanooga which Bragg then promptly lost.

It is you sir who is attempting to defend revisionist historical lies that have propagated the revisionist lies of the lost cause mythologies and who opposes teaching the actual history. It is you and those who created and supported the lost cause mythologies that are guilty of trying to rewrite history.
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Holy fuck dude. Fort Bragg or Camp Bragg wasn't founded until 1918.

I'm talking about modern soldiers. :palm: How many confederate soldiers were in the 82nd airborne?
 
moon said:
I might if I were Moslem- but I'm a Quaker this week.

No- I was thinking more along the lines of ' Chief Clerk ' . Any better suggestions ?
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Chief Clerk Obama does have a ring to it. But I'm fine with President, you American hating POS.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So did Jefferson Davis. He not only suspended habeas corpus but in eastern Tennessee, where the majority of the population remained loyal to the United States, he had 500 news journalist and editors arrested and hanged 50 of them without trial.
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Like Lincoln didn't do more that that? Oh! But he did.
 
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