ON THIS DATE IN 1933...HITLER NAMED CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY!

Gonzomin said:
No. If Trump is impeached Pence becomes prez, not a Dem. So your understanding is all wrong. again
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Cypress said:
I maintain it is important to remember that the Nazi Party, much like the modern Republican Party, never actually won the popular vote. The best the Nazi's ever did was win around 36 percent of the vote in 1932. Most Germans voted for socialist and leftist parties.

Yep, you read that right. Most Germans voted for leftist and left of centre parties in 1932. Most Germans did not give their consent by vote to the Nazis.

The Nazis only came to authoritarian power by staging a coup.

Which is pretty much how things unfolded in the Soviet Union.

The Bolsheviks were trounced in popular elections to the Constituent Assembly. Most Russians voted for liberal and democratic socialist parties.
Only a minority of Russians voted for the Bolsheviks.

And the only way the Bolsheviks could attain total power, was exactly how the Nazis attained it - by staging a coup.
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You poor girl,


You're a victim of the devastation that the neo-Marxist theory of Postmodernism has brought to bear on the traditional liberal arts curriculum in US high schools and colleges. In this case history has been the victim.


To explain. For a number of decades now, American youngsters, like yourself, have not been taught real history. I mean history like: the causes and the major events that took place during the American Civil War of 1861-1865, the Cold War Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, the arrival of the Germanic Angles and Saxons on the East Coast of Britain (England) in the 5th century, the wonderful story of the Miracle at Iona in classical antiquity and that of the rise and fall of the mighty Roman empire and so on.


It is important for young people who are interested in contemporary Western (e.g. US) politics to have, at the very least, a good knowledge of the major events and individuals who shaped the history of the 20th century.


It's true that Hitler's NAZI (NSDAP) Party never won the popular vote, Hitler was not appointed Chancellor as the result of an electoral victory with a popular mandate. In 1932 he ran against Hindenburg in the Presidential election and gained 36.8% of the national vote on the second ballot. (BTW, When you say that most people voted for "socialist and Leftist parties" that year you are correct if you mean the combined Communist Party and Social Democratic Parties percentage of the national vote was higher than the NAZI party's percentage, but of the three parties the NAZI's 36.8% was the highest). He found himself in a strong position at the time by virtue of the unprecedented mass following he had acquired and so it was tat he entered into a series of intrigues/ secret schemings and connivings with conservatives like Franz von Pap and Otto Bismark's son. Their mutual fear of communism and the rejecting of the Social Democrats bound them together despite the fact that there was a fall in the NAZI Party's vote in November of 1932.


Hitler insisted that the Chancellorship was the only office he would accept and on the 30th January 1933 Hindenburg offered him the Chancellorship of Germany. Shortly after, a fire broke out in the Reichstag building in Berlin, and authorities arrested a Dutch communist who confessed to starting it. Hitler used the incident to convince President Hindenburg to declare an emergency decree suspending many civil liberties across Germany, including: freedom of expression; freedom of the Press, the right to public association, etc. The police were now authorised to detain people without cause, and the authority usually exercised by regional governments became subject to control by Hitler's national elite.


Hitler then immediately began dismantling democratic institutions and imprisoning and murdering his chief opponents. When President Hindenburg died the following year (1931), Hitler took the title of "Fuhrer", Chancellor and Commander-in-Chief of the army. He had successfully seized absolute, personal power over Germany.


So, when you say that "Hitler and his NAZI Party only came to authoritarian power by staging a coup" that's not correct. A coup (or coup d'etre) is a sudden , violent and illegal seizure of power from a government. Hitler did not declare himself "Fuhrer" and assume total dictatorial power as the result of any coup. Hitler had staged a coup earlier in his political career but that was back in 1923 and is usually referred to as the Beer Hall Putsch (putsch is just another word for coup). The Beer Hall putsch was an abortive attempt to seize power in Munich that took place on the night of November 8th, 1923. The story is that in 1923 Germany's Weimar Republic was in a state of chaos. Members of rival political gangs were fighting each other in the streets, unpopular politicians were being regularly assassinated, the economy was a shambles, hyperinflation had reduced the value of (paper) money to almost nothing, the cost of living was stratospheric and people were unable to cater properly for basic needs like food, winter clothing and so on.With disorder and turmoil all around, Hitler saw an opportunity to attemtp a coup against the government. To cut a long story shot his coup failed and as a result he was charged with treason and imprisoned for 5 years in Landsberg jail where he wrote his notorious creed "Mein Kampf."


I agree that Lenin's Bolsheviks staged a Marx-inspired revolution in October 1917 that was a coup. The so-called "Red October Coup" or "Bolshevik Coup, where the Winter Palace was swiftly stormed and captured by force.


It seems to me that you draw a very clear separating line between the NAZI Party and the "Leftist (Communist Party) and Left-of-centre (Social Democratic Party) that were campaigning for election during the late 1920's and early 1930's in Germany when Hitler was in the fray. I am tempted to presume that you understand the NAZIs to be a kind of extreme right, ultra-authoritarian, "fascist" organization. I mean, the terms "fascist" and "NAZI" have pretty much become "joined at the hip" in terms of modern slang insults. You see it on this forum all the time. Someone will put forward a hard right reactionary or hawkish neo-conservative, etc; point of view and sure enough people will soon start posting replies like: " F**K you, you F**KING NAZI fascist !!", and so on.


Its interesting to note, however, that Hitler referred to himself many times in his speeches as a socialist. Remember that the NAZI party's proper name was the National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party (NSDAP). Listen to this passage from a speech Hitler gave to the NAZI party in Munich on Feb 24th, 1940...


"German economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the the interests of the German people. In this respect, I am a fanatical SOCIALIST, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people. I am not the slave of a few in banking syndicates. I am under no obligation to any capitalist group. I sprang from the German people. My movement, our movement is a German peoples' movement, and it is only to this German people that we are obliged.



Here is another passage from an interview between Hitler and a journalist, George Viereck, that took place in 1923...


(Hitler): "We choose to call ourselves national socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, the State and race are one."


And this...


(Hitler): "We are socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."


Next, with respect to Trump's 2016 election campaign slogan ("Make America Great Again"), here is an excerpt from speech by Hitler that was printed in the US in the 1940 edition of "The St Louis Star"...


(Hitler): "Nationalism and socialism had to be redefined and they had to be blended into one strong new idea to carry new strength which would make Germany great again."


As you mention Bolshevism, listen to what Hitler thinks about it...


"There is more that bind us (NAZIs) to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is above all a genuine revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowances for this circumstance, and given orders that the former Communists are to be admitted to the (NAZI) party at once. The petit-bourgeois Social - Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist but the Communists always will."


And finally, here's a chilling little gem from Adolph Schicklegruber (Hitler) that should make you proud as punch to be a Leftie (which you are if I'm not mistaken ?)


"Of what importance is all that, if I range a man firmly within a discipline they cannot escape ? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our Socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialise banks and factories ? WE SOCIALISE HUMAN BEINGS."


Yup, there's no doubt about it, Hitler was one of your lot, a loony Leftie. How do you feel about that, girlie ?


Dachshund
 
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The key point about Hitler is that he was able to get dictatorial control by banning the Communist Party. Once any country cuts out free choice, after the good old McCarthy manner, dictatorship is always on the cards.
 
Penderyn said:
The key point about Hitler is that he was able to get dictatorial control by banning the Communist Party. Once any country cuts out free choice, after the good old McCarthy manner, dictatorship is always on the cards.
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I hope you're not a NAZI, Taffy girl ? You'll never help to "MAKE WALES GREAT AGAIN" stomping about the vaaarleys in Jackboots and screaming Seig Heil at the widdle lambs :)


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Dachshynddawg said:
I hope you're not a NAZI, Taffy girl ? You'll never help to "MAKE WALES GREAT AGAIN" stomping about the vaaarleys in Jackboots and screaming Seig Heil at the lambs :)


Dachshund
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Lay off the drugs, kid - you'll end up in jug. And my name is not Taffydd, so piss off into ignore, racist shithouse.
 
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Dachshynddawg said:
You poor girl,


You're a victim of the devastation that the neo-Marxist theory of Postmodernism has brought to bear on the traditional liberal arts curriculum in US high schools and colleges. In this case history has been the victim.


To explain. For a number of decades now, American youngsters, like yourself, have not been taught real history. I mean history like: the causes and the major events that took place during the American Civil War of 1861-1865, the Cold War Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, the arrival of the Germanic Angles and Saxons on the East Coast of Britain (England) in the 5th century, the wonderful story of the Miracle at Iona in classical antiquity and that of the rise and fall of the mighty Roman empire and so on.


It is important for young people who are interested in contemporary Western (e.g. US) politics to have, at the very least, a good knowledge of the major events and individuals who shaped the history of the 20th century.


It's true that Hitler's NAZI (NSDAP) Party never won the popular vote, Hitler was not appointed Chancellor as the result of an electoral victory with a popular mandate. In 1932 he ran against Hindenburg in the Presidential election and gained 36.8% of the national vote on the second ballot. (BTW, When you say that most people voted for "socialist and Leftist parties" that year you are correct if you mean the combined Communist Party and Social Democratic Parties percentage of the national vote was higher than the NAZI party's percentage, but of the three parties the NAZI's 36.8% was the highest). He found himself in a strong position at the time by virtue of the unprecedented mass following he had acquired and so it was tat he entered into a series of intrigues/ secret schemings and connivings with conservatives like Franz von Pap and Otto Bismark's son. Their mutual fear of communism and the rejecting of the Social Democrats bound them together despite the fact that there was a fall in the NAZI Party's vote in November of 1932.


Hitler insisted that the Chancellorship was the only office he would accept and on the 30th January 1933 Hindenburg offered him the Chancellorship of Germany. Shortly after, a fire broke out in the Reichstag building in Berlin, and authorities arrested a Dutch communist who confessed to starting it. Hitler used the incident to convince President Hindenburg to declare an emergency decree suspending many civil liberties across Germany, including: freedom of expression; freedom of the Press, the right to public association, etc. The police were now authorised to detain people without cause, and the authority usually exercised by regional governments became subject to control by Hitler's national elite.


Hitler then immediately began dismantling democratic institutions and imprisoning and murdering his chief opponents. When President Hindenburg died the following year (1931), Hitler took the title of "Fuhrer", Chancellor and Commander-in-Chief of the army. He had successfully seized absolute, personal power over Germany.


So, when you say that "Hitler and his NAZI Party only came to authoritarian power by staging a coup" that's not correct. A coup (or coup d'etre) is a sudden , violent and illegal seizure of power from a government. Hitler did not declare himself "Fuhrer" and assume total dictatorial power as the result of any coup. Hitler had staged a coup earlier in his political career but that was back in 1923 and is usually referred to as the Beer Hall Putsch (putsch is just another word for coup). The Beer Hall putsch was an abortive attempt to seize power in Munich that took place on the night of November 8th, 1923. The story is that in 1923 Germany's Weimar Republic was in a state of chaos. Members of rival political gangs were fighting each other in the streets, unpopular politicians were being regularly assassinated, the economy was a shambles, hyperinflation had reduced the value of (paper) money to almost nothing, the cost of living was stratospheric and people were unable to cater properly for basic needs like food, winter clothing and so on.With disorder and turmoil all around, Hitler saw an opportunity to attemtp a coup against the government. To cut a long story shot his coup failed and as a result he was charged with treason and imprisoned for 5 years in Landsberg jail where he wrote his notorious creed "Mein Kampf."


I agree that Lenin's Bolsheviks staged a Marx-inspired revolution in October 1917 that was a coup. The so-called "Red October Coup" or "Bolshevik Coup, where the Winter Palace was swiftly stormed and captured by force.


It seems to me that you draw a very clear separating line between the NAZI Party and the "Leftist (Communist Party) and Left-of-centre (Social Democratic Party) that were campaigning for election during the late 1920's and early 1930's in Germany when Hitler was in the fray. I am tempted to presume that you understand the NAZIs to be a kind of extreme right, ultra-authoritarian, "fascist" organization. I mean, the terms "fascist" and "NAZI" have pretty much become "joined at the hip" in terms of modern slang insults. You see it on this forum all the time. Someone will put forward a hard right reactionary or hawkish neo-conservative, etc; point of view and sure enough people will soon start posting replies like: " F**K you, you F**KING NAZI fascist !!", and so on.


Its interesting to note, however, that Hitler referred to himself many times in his speeches as a socialist. Remember that the NAZI party's proper name was the National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party (NSDAP). Listen to this passage from a speech Hitler gave to the NAZI party in Munich on Feb 24th, 1940...


"German economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the the interests of the German people. In this respect, I am a fanatical SOCIALIST, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people. I am not the slave of a few in banking syndicates. I am under no obligation to any capitalist group. I sprang from the German people. My movement, our movement is a German peoples' movement, and it is only to this German people that we are obliged.



Here is another passage from an interview between Hitler and a journalist, George Viereck, that took place in 1923...


(Hitler): "We choose to call ourselves national socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, the State and race are one."


And this...


(Hitler): "We are socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."


Next, with respect to Trump's 2016 election campaign slogan ("Make America Great Again"), here is an excerpt from speech by Hitler that was printed in the US in the 1940 edition of "The St Louis Star"...


(Hitler): "Nationalism and socialism had to be redefined and they had to be blended into one strong new idea to carry new strength which would make Germany great again."


As you mention Bolshevism, listen to what Hitler thinks about it...


"There is more that bind us (NAZIs) to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is above all a genuine revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowances for this circumstance, and given orders that the former Communists are to be admitted to the (NAZI) party at once. The petit-bourgeois Social - Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist but the Communists always will."


And finally, here's a chilling little gem from Adolph Schicklegruber (Hitler) that should make you proud as punch to be a Leftie (which you are if I'm not mistaken ?)


"Of what importance is all that, if I range a man firmly within a discipline they cannot escape ? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our Socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialise banks and factories ? WE SOCIALISE HUMAN BEINGS."


Yup, there's no doubt about it, Hitler was one of your lot, a loony Leftie. How do you feel about that, girlie ?


Dachshund
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Cutting and pasting other people's words does not make you look erudite or informed.

I am not wading through your plagiarized word salad, and you are really going to have to up your game if you covet my attention.
 
Frank Apisa said:
It definitely was followed by the outlawing of opposition parties.
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And that is how the Nazis and the Bolseviks acquired totalitarian powers: by violent coup and outlawing and suppression of opposition parties.

When actual fair and democratic elections were held, Germans and Russians of the era demonstrated a preference for liberals, democratic socialists, and leftists by splitting their vote among the center-left parties.. Only a minority supported the Nazis and Bolsheviks
 
Cypress said:
The Nazis only came to authoritarian power by staging a coup.
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Do you mean the Enabling Act of March 1933? It was passed by the Reichstag (only the Social Democrats opposed it) and signed into law by President Hindenburg. It made Hitler a legal dictator.

It's true that the Nazis never won a majority of the votes in any free election.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Do you mean the Enabling Act of March 1933? It was passed by the Reichstag (only the Social Democrats opposed it) and signed into law by President Hindenburg. It made Hitler a legal dictator.

It's true that the Nazis never won a majority of the votes in any free election.
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Majorities are rare in parliamentary government. Boris Johnson's recent landslide was an anomaly.
 
Cypress said:
And that is how the Nazis and the Bolseviks acquired totalitarian powers: by violent coup and outlawing and suppression of opposition parties.

When actual fair and democratic elections were held, Germans and Russians of the era demonstrated a preference for liberals, democratic socialists, and leftists by splitting their vote among the center-left parties.. Only a minority supported the Nazis and Bolsheviks
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Democratic Socialists and Bolsheviks are both leftists, retard. You must have meant progressives.
 
Truth Detector said:
Trying to argue that Republicans and Trump are Nazi's is lunacy and a sign that you are seriously mentally deranged and should seek the help of a mental health professional. :rolleyes:
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dear fucking idiot ,

today the republicans are going to MAKE IT SO


they are voting for the idea that "If the president does it its not illegal"



NO LAWS APPLY TO THE PRESIDENT


that is what the republicans are saying


Fuck you and them both very much
 
Truth Detector said:
Trying to argue that Republicans and Trump are Nazi's is lunacy and a sign that you are seriously mentally deranged and should seek the help of a mental health professional. :rolleyes:
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Are you saying if Trump and Republicans go full scale Nazi,you will denounce them?
Or goosestep behind them?
 
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