One of the key components that conservatives miss regarding KremlinGate

anatta said:
There were plenty of "meetings documented" where money was paid to the Clinton Foundation in return for access
-that was "pay to play"
But the Russian business deals proceeded the campaign for the most part, and unless you can show a corruptive influence (like a quid pro quo) outside of ordinary geo-politics, then it's a nothingburger.
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Was Flynn's phone calls with the Russians "quid pro quo?" No, yet doesn't Flynn face potential jail time today?

For some reason you can't get it out of your head that unless you can prove "quid pro quo" it is all for naught, but as I said in the offset, it's not all about collusion, and then gave you a couple of examples, it
 
Getin the ring said:
explain
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"Explain?" "Explain" what?

Your not denying the fact that the Russians involved themselves in our election are you? And that the focus of their effort was to get Trump elected President? And that it continues to be a major threat today which needs to be examined and addressed?

What needs to be "explained" the facts are self explanatory
 
archives said:
is that it is not just about collusion, collusion is nearly impossible to prove, but also questionable contacts between campaign surrogates and Russian officials, undisclosed business connection between Trump Industries and individuals associated with the Kremlin, undeclared association or meetings with parties known to be Russian agents, Executive interference in the entire process, etc., etc., etc.

Unwitting actions aren't assumed defendable, Flynn proved that, and there is enough circumstantial evidence out there to merit investigation.

It is not all about collusion
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sounds like you are moving the goal posts because you realize you have jack shit.

guess what it's not illegal to have a relationship with Russia. I don't know why you would think otherwise.
 
archives said:
is that it is not just about collusion, collusion is nearly impossible to prove, but also questionable contacts between campaign surrogates and Russian officials, undisclosed business connection between Trump Industries and individuals associated with the Kremlin, undeclared association or meetings with parties known to be Russian agents, Executive interference in the entire process, etc., etc., etc.

Unwitting actions aren't assumed defendable, Flynn proved that, and there is enough circumstantial evidence out there to merit investigation.

It is not all about collusion
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Allow me to translate.

What our friend archives is saying is that the entire "collusion" thing has blown up in their faces so they are off to another fishing expedition to try and find something. Anything
 
dashradinator said:
sounds like you are moving the goal posts because you realize you have jack shit.

guess what it's not illegal to have a relationship with Russia. I don't know why you would think otherwise.
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Tell Flynn that.

Contacts, no, unreported contacts on official documents, yes, willing or not willing, why did you think they are interested in Administration and campaign surrogates known to have histories with Russian contacts?

Clever photo think whatever
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
Allow me to translate.

What our friend archives is saying is that the entire "collusion" thing has blown up in their faces so they are off to another fishing expedition to try and find something. Anything
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Ah, no, not even a nice try

What archives is saying is that there is a lot more involved besides proving collusion, as a rule, a GOP appointed assistant AG acting in behalf of the existing AG usually doesn't appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the person who appointed him to launch "fishing expeditions"
 
archives said:
Was Flynn's phone calls with the Russians "quid pro quo?" No, yet doesn't Flynn face potential jail time today?

For some reason you can't get it out of your head that unless you can prove "quid pro quo" it is all for naught, but as I said in the offset, it's not all about collusion, and then gave you a couple of examples, it
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as stated there are some individuals who have broken disclosure laws -that's about as far as the "Russian connection" goes, and it doesn't go to the campaign or Trump -only individuals . (as far as we know)
 
archives said:
Ah, no, not even a nice try

What archives is saying is that there is a lot more involved besides proving collusion, as a rule, a GOP appointed assistant AG acting in behalf of the existing AG usually doesn't appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the person who appointed him to launch "fishing expeditions"
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those are ex post facto resons not having anything to do with Russian interference/collusion.

What is different here then watergate is there is no underlying crime driving an SP.
 
anatta said:
as stated there are some individuals who have broken disclosure laws -that's about as far as the "Russian connection" goes, and it doesn't go to the campaign or Trump -only individuals . (as far as we know)
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That's it in a nutshell.

Most likely it will begin and end with Flynn. It will be a colossal waste of money and the outcome won't matter to anyone but the rabid anti-Trump left.

Pretty much everyone else is tired of hearing about it.
 
Darth Omar said:
That's it in a nutshell.

Most likely it will begin and end with Flynn. It will be a colossal waste of money and the outcome won't matter to anyone but the rabid anti-Trump left.

Pretty much everyone else is tired of hearing about it.
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At the very least it will end with Flynn, that has already been established, but given that there now exists a Special Counsel, the circumstantial evidence is there to take his investigation into areas far beyond just "disclosure forms'

The "colossal waste of money" view is a bit humorous coming from conservatives who supported four years of redundant BenghaziGate "investigations" that proved nothing yet cost millions

And don't fool yourself, Americans care, Trump cares, otherwise he wouldn't be personally attacking it, until the Special Council finishes his work it will hang as a burden on the Trump Presidency
 
Darth Omar said:
That's it in a nutshell.

Most likely it will begin and end with Flynn. It will be a colossal waste of money and the outcome won't matter to anyone but the rabid anti-Trump left.

Pretty much everyone else is tired of hearing about it.
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that's where it should end..SP's though are like a grand jury.
they'll indict a ham sandwich
 
archives said:
is that it is not just about collusion, collusion is nearly impossible to prove, but also questionable contacts between campaign surrogates and Russian officials, undisclosed business connection between Trump Industries and individuals associated with the Kremlin, undeclared association or meetings with parties known to be Russian agents, Executive interference in the entire process, etc., etc., etc.

Unwitting actions aren't assumed defendable, Flynn proved that, and there is enough circumstantial evidence out there to merit investigation.

It is not all about collusion
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So it is about nothing...good call junior.
 
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