one reason people are fucking stupid

That does happen. Let me repeat. That does happen. Stop being a liar. People die on waiting lists all the time in the countries you hold up as a model.



First off a study to explain our IMR (infant mortality rate)



And here is an example what happens when government gets involved:

Sarah Capewell’s son is dead because of Britain’s nationalized health care system. Little Jayden was born premature at 21 weeks and 5 days after conception. If Jayden had been born just two days later, doctors would have worked to save his life. But the cutoff age for a premature baby under Britain’s National Health Service rationing guideline is 22 weeks.


Forty-eight hours denied Jayden the lifesaving healthcare that he needed to live. Even without it, he breathed on his own for two hours—a sure sign Jayden was a fighter. In spite of Sarah’s pleas with doctors to save his life, they refused to offer even the most remedial care. They told Sarah that before 22 weeks gestation, Jayden was only a fetus and had no human rights.


This and worse is what we can expect if President Obama successfully imposes government-controlled healthcare on American citizens. From the very first day, such a system would be desperate for money to keep it afloat. Nancy Pelosi told reporters that half the bill “will be paid for by squeezing excesses out of the system.” This means the rationing of healthcare—denying basic medical treatment to our most vulnerable citizens—would become commonplace.
 
I have my issues with the right. They are too beholden to corporations and make policy according to what benefits their large coroporate donors.

But so does the left. They are just in denial. Cap and trade places GE in a position to run a new global market of spuriously conceived carbon credits.

If you thought the securitization of bad mortgages and bogus insurance on those securities was a scam. Carbon credits are the most insane commodity ever conceived. Wait till there is a collapse in carbon credit values and everyone is taxed their life savings just to breathe.

Monetizing the atsmosphere is a bad idea all around.

considering that government is bought and paid for by huge companies, a totalitarian government necessarily will lead us to fascist slavery, by design.

We are in a sad state of things, both parties are completely corrupt, but at least on the conservative side, there is at least some suspicion of the statist fascist complex. On the left we see the internationalist fascist New world Order framed as a spiritual, racial, economic nirvana, when it's the opposite of all of these.

I would rather have people suspicious of fascist power in government, rather than those who are suspicious of individuality and freedom.

you, zoombwaz, are a cretinesque rube, with nothing but hot air animating your diabolical fascist soul.

Progressivism has always been about a strategy of "progressively" taking our society into fascist totalitarianism. It's a strategy, with totalitarianism as the goal.

I look forward to reading your next installment of barely intelligible sputterings.
 
First off a study to explain our IMR (infant mortality rate)



And here is an example what happens when government gets involved:

Sarah Capewell’s son is dead because of Britain’s nationalized health care system. Little Jayden was born premature at 21 weeks and 5 days after conception. If Jayden had been born just two days later, doctors would have worked to save his life. But the cutoff age for a premature baby under Britain’s National Health Service rationing guideline is 22 weeks.


Forty-eight hours denied Jayden the lifesaving healthcare that he needed to live. Even without it, he breathed on his own for two hours—a sure sign Jayden was a fighter. In spite of Sarah’s pleas with doctors to save his life, they refused to offer even the most remedial care. They told Sarah that before 22 weeks gestation, Jayden was only a fetus and had no human rights.


This and worse is what we can expect if President Obama successfully imposes government-controlled healthcare on American citizens. From the very first day, such a system would be desperate for money to keep it afloat. Nancy Pelosi told reporters that half the bill “will be paid for by squeezing excesses out of the system.” This means the rationing of healthcare—denying basic medical treatment to our most vulnerable citizens—would become commonplace.

The dirtly secret of lefty health plans is that they will let people die as their cost cutting strategy. This is why they get so vague and squirrelly when asked for specifics. They're ashamed to mention it. Inside, they know they are morally reprehensible.
 
I hope zoombwas is a highly level operative inside the adminstration, and they take me in and torture me, So i can spit in his face and say "you can kill me, but the truth lives on". Then I will grab a sidearm as I'm being tranferred between cells and take at least one fucker out before I go.

We all die, it's just a matter of how we go out.
 
The dirtly secret of lefty health plans is that they will let people die as their cost cutting strategy. This is why they get so vague and squirrelly when asked for specifics. They're ashamed to mention it. Inside, they know they are morally reprehensible.

Because they can't get away from what rationing leads to. In countries where rationing as been incrementally implemented, they have become used to these outrages; the proverbial frog in a slow heating pot of water. Here in America, we don't allow for this, so we think it could never happen. The further trouble with Nationalized health care is once it is implemented and ways are found to save money it is their for ever.

The other canard in this discussion is the one that imply it’s Obama-care or else the status quo. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Numerous ideas have been provided to congress...all of which are ignored. No one disputes that costs are climbing at rates that will leave more and more American's either without health care or else with poor health care. The solution however is not to create another unsustainable government welfare program.
 
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They are all anti-human population control freaks.

The green movement was conceived from the beginning to be an ideological path convincing society that democide (genocide for all citizens) is good.

This is all well documented.
 
Because they can't get away from what rationing leads to. In countries where rationing as been incrementally implemented, they have become used to these outrages; the proverbial frog in a slow heating pot of water.

To which countries are you referring? Canada? UK? France? Australia? Germany? Sweden? Norway? Cuba? Italy? Ireland? Scotland? Finland? Peru? China? Israel? ................................................

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Because they can't get away from what rationing leads to. In countries where rationing as been incrementally implemented, they have become used to these outrages; the proverbial frog in a slow heating pot of water. Here in America, we don't allow for this, so we think it could never happen. The further trouble with Nationalized health care is once it is implemented and ways are found to save money it is their for ever.

The other canard in this discussion is the one that imply it’s Obama-care or else the status quo. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Numerous ideas have been provided to congress...all of which are ignored. No one disputes that costs are climbing at rates that will leave more and more American's either without health care or else with poor health care. The solution however is not to create another unsustainable government welfare program.
 
They are all anti-human population control freaks.

The green movement was conceived from the beginning to be an ideological path convincing society that democide (genocide for all citizens) is good.

This is all well documented.

In all seriousness, AssHat, are you a member of some cult or fringe religion?
 
Sorry, Apple. Nice try, but that one is too stupid to learn.

I find it astonishing the beliefs of Asshat and similar others.


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Sorry, Apple. Nice try, but that one is too stupid to learn. He/she/it has swallowed too much of the Reaganite Kool Ade ("Government isn't the solution. Government is the problem," possibly the single most dangerous thing said by any president, because it is also among the stupidest things ever said by any president. Armed with that precious piece of bullshit, Reagan and the GOP took the US from its perch as the #1 creditor nation in the world, and drove it over the cliff to its current position as the #1 debtor nation in the world via "Reaganomics," the moronic position that a country can cut taxes, increase military expenditures and balance the budget simultaneously. A moderately bright 4th grader could have told them that wasn't going to work, and in fact, George H.W. Bush accurately described the notion as "voodoo economics" until the GOP bought his silence by nominating him as Reagan's running mate. Ever since, the kool-ade for lunch bunch have insisted, against all evidence to the contrary (ie, the most basic accounting principles) that tax cuts do not lead to deficits, only excess spending does, and that cleaning up government waste would balance the budget (dear God, what a bunch of cretins). Then they compounded that error by giving huge budget increases to the most wasteful department in the whole freaking government: the DoD, who have absolutely no idea where their tax revenues ultimately go. The DoD is the black hole of funding...once tax dollars cross the DoD event horizon, they are never seen or accounted for again.

Those benighted dipshits controlled the executive branch for 20 out of the next 28 years, and controlled one or both houses of congresscongress for 26 mout of those 28 years. The Democrats held the presidency and both houses of congress for a whopping two years out of 28, and yet everything that has gone wrong is somehow their fault, as the GOP is ever blameless for the negative results of their asinine policies.

If the U.S. government is truly incompetent, it is nobody's fault BUT the Republicans'. What the hell do voters expect to happen when they elect a party that doesn't believe in government to run their government? Excellence? Competence?

Why would anybody with half a functioning brain expect that? The party that tells you goverrnm,ent is the peroblem CANNOT POSSIBLY SHOW COMPETENCE AT GOVERNANCE, BECAUSE IT SHOWS THEIR ENTIRE BASIC PHILOSOPHY IS WRONG. IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE RIGHT, GOVERNMENT HAS TO SUCK.
THEREFORE, AND I WILL TAKE THIS SLOWLY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE YET TO FIGURE OUT THE INHERENT AND PAINFULLY OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THIS SCENARIO, AND BY THAT I MEAN ANY PINHEAD WHO STILL THINKS A GOVERNMENT-FUNDED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS BOUND TO BE STUPID AND CORRUPT (yes, i'm talking to you, Asswipe, and all the other mental midgets who hold that benighted view). EVERY SINGLE TYIME YOU ELECT A PARTY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT INTO POWER, THE ABSOLUTE BEST-CASE SCENARIO YOU CAN EXPECT IS BENIGN NEGLECT. YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT GET GOOD GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THAT PARTY TO GIVE YOU WHAT THEY SAY CANNOT EXIST.

Got it? Of course not. If you had, you would have run the GOP out of office years ago. Since the best-case scenario is benign neglect, what is the worst-case scenario? IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU GOT FROM 1981 TO 2008: INCOMPETENCE, STUPIDITY AND CORRUPTION, ALL OF WHICH ARE INEVITABLE WHEN THE PARTY IN POWER IS APPOINTING INDUSTRY HACKS TO RUN THE AGENCIES OVERSEEING THOSE INDUSTRIES. YOU GOT EXACTLY THE GOVERNMENT YOU VOTED FOR AND DESERVED..

Unfortunately for the rest of us, we had to suffer under the scum you voted into office, and then were forced to listen to you chowderheads complain about the incompetence and corruption you should have realized were inevitable BEFORE YOU VOTED THE LYING, CHEATING, CORRUPT HOSEBAGS INTO POWER, BUT WERE TOO GODDAMN STUPID TO SEE (NOT TO MENTION SCARED SHITLESS BY THEIR TERRORIST BOOGEYMAN, ALSO BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO BUTT-IGNORANT TO REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT WE COULD EVER BE TAKEN OVER BY AN "ISLAMIC CALIPHATE.")

EVEN WHEN PRESENTED WITH EVIDENCE THE GOP STOLE THE 2000 ELECTION, AND WITH INCONTROVERTIBLE STATISTICALPROOF THEY STOLE THE 2004 ELECTION IN OHIO, YOU INNUMERATE CRETINS INSISTED THAT WE WERE JUST WHINING BECAUSE WE LOST. IDIOTS. LEARN TO ADD AND SUBTRACT. Just like you now are falsely complaining that we are politicizing healthcare, because you aren't capable of grasping the numbers, you falsely accused us then of politicizing the election results for the same damn reason: because you couldn't grasp that the change in the results from what was posted at 2 am election night to those posted the morning of the day after was mathematically impossible, and that the changes in the exit poll numbers posted at the same times were statistically improbable past the point of real-world impossibility (and by that I mean that while there is always a numerically expressable probability that some event will happen, there comes a point in the real world whee we admit the odds against are improbably high, and therefore virtually impossible. Yes, you can express numerically the odds that you can sucessfully throw heads a million times straight in a coin toss, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. Those same odds were in play that the changed exit poll numbers could have occurred without cheating on the part of the GOP, and the fact that all the alleged anomalies went in Bush's favor was equally improbable, but since your understanding of math, statistics, and logic is no better than it was in 2004, I have no expectation of anything other than continued willful ignorance, and more right-wing bullshit (like: "that election's over, get over it." Yeah, that's right. we should all get over the screwing we got in 2000 and 2004, regardless of what the evidence shows, just like you guys accepted the ass-whuppin' you received in 2008, and got over those stupid pre-election complaints you made, like about ACORN, Obama's citizenship, and his being a secret Muslim, all claims for which there was no evidence, and the ludicrous allegations that he is simultaneously socialist, communist, and fascist, which is logically impossible by definition of all three terms, and factually ridiculous, like claiming Bill Clinton, a center-right, corporatist politican if there ever was one, as a leftist. yeah, it's so nice to see that you guys manned up, accepted the evidence, and abandoned that childish and/or racist bullshit...oh, wait...you didn't give it up after all...in fact you're still whining about imaginary election fraud by the dems while ignoring the evidence showing with metaphysical certainty that your party stole two presidential elections...and you morons are still worried about the country beginning an inexorable slide into Socialism under yet another center-right, corporatist Democrat. One more time for the retarded right-wingers (yeah, I know that's redundant, but they don't): OBAMA IS NO SOCIALIST, NO COMMUNIST, AND NO FASCIST/HITLER/NAZI. HE CAN'T BE ALL THREE AT ONCE (and don't try to run that "Nazi stands for national socialist party" crap by me, unless you are prepared to argue that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is both democratic and a republic. The Nazis were not socialists, and Obama is neither fascist nor socialist nor communist. Only a person totally ignorant on the subject of political science believes that, and ignorant and/or stupid people need to STFU.
 
The govt letting people die for cost cutting or private industry doing it. Whom do you think the most likely to let someone die to preserve profit?
 
In all seriousness, AssHat, are you a member of some cult or fringe religion?

You have AssHat mixed up with John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar who holds the attitude that the traditional family is obsolete. His approach to the science of population appears to include mass compulsory sterilization to create smaller families.
 
You are the greatest hunk of human shit on the planet. You are nothing but shit underneath your wordie dirdie hating exterior, bitch.
 
You heard it first here folks!
Yurty says I am the greatest :clink:

If I can convert Yurtie, I guess Satan is next on my conversion list.

Yeah, you're like the old grandfather that comes to family reunions and embarrasses everyone by somehow getting ahold of a microphone, despite the middle-agers most sincere efforts...
 
To which countries are you referring? Canada? UK? France? Australia? Germany? Sweden? Norway? Cuba? Italy? Ireland? Scotland? Finland? Peru? China? Israel? ................................................

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Read through the thread apple, I provided a story. Though all countries with national health care are having major funding issues that have led to rationing is not a secret, it is ignored in the discussion.
 
I hope zoombwas is a highly level operative inside the adminstration, and they take me in and torture me, So i can spit in his face and say "you can kill me, but the truth lives on". Then I will grab a sidearm as I'm being tranferred between cells and take at least one fucker out before I go.

We all die, it's just a matter of how we go out.

You hould seek help for those paranoid fantasies of yours.
 
AHZ is representative of the botched Republican efforts to be "inclusive".

Their weak posturings are textbook examples of failure.

Hispanic voters, soon to be a majority bloc, are rejecting the compassionless conservative stance regarding immigration and jingoistic "English-only" issues that strike at the heart of the Latino community.

Black voters realized long ago that the GOP is full of repressive, violent racists.

Women and gays have likewise suffered at the patriarchal and homophobic hands of America's amazing shrinking party.

With community organizing and agressive voter registration campaigns now entrenched within the government itself, I see a rosy future for progressivism.
 
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