Only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans

Superfreak said:
with all due respect, the above is ridiculous....

A. Obama is not liberal compared to YOU. He most certainly is liberal in regards to the domestic agenda he is pushing (via his talking heads Pelosi and Reid)

B. The majority of Americans beleive what the media and idiots in DC are telling them. This crisis began long before Bush took office. A fact anyone willing to research the issue can see. That said, Bush did indeed suck and will likely take the lions share of the blame.

C. Comparing Obama to Bush is like comparing Bundy to Dahmer. Well, we like Bundy better because at least he didn't EAT his victims. It is not hard for people to be 'more satisfied' with Obama when you are comparing his numbers to one of the worst Presidents in our nations history.
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I do appreciate your thoughts brother.

However .. and with all due respect ..

A. Liberals do not support the Bush bill to give legal immunity to telecommunication companies .. Obama does. He lied to liberals during the campaign.

B. A liberal would be moving US troops out of Iraq, not moving them in as Obama is doing.

C. A liberal would not have sent 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan without first deciding on a mission. Liberals are ANTI-war.

D. If Obama was a liberal, "public option" would be the first thing out of his mouth everyday.

E. Name the liberals around Obama ... He has precious few of them and the vast majority of them are centrists .. just like he is.

F. NO liberal would have chosen Obama's economic team .. nor would they have chosen many on Obama's team .. period point blank.

G. I bet you think Hillary Clinton is a liberal.

I could go on and on about the distinctions between Obama and real liberals .. but the truth is that the right likes to classify everything they don't like as "liberal" .. because liberals are pussies and they're easy to attack. They don't know how to fight back .. in fact, the right beat them up so bad that they changed their label to "progressive" to avoid "liberal" attacks.

What pussies.

However, that being said, one of the great failings of the right is their inability to argue from a position of honesty. They are driven by emotion, not truth, not facts, not reality. It is their undoing. They should have been smarter.

Obama is no liberal my brother and one of his greatest challenges is not teabaggers .. but liberals. That's where his most critical challange is coming from .. the liberals .. because he isn't one of them.

White House Will Weather Liberal Anger
http://politics.theatlantic.com/200...house_senate_double_down_onbipartisanship.php

I welcome any discussion that is based on reality.
 
Exoendo said:
thank you superfreak. I guess cypress's reading comprehension still hasn't improved during his long absence
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In reality I think it is safe to say that he knew exactly what you were saying, yet as usual created a strawman so he could go into one of his 'I doesn't know where these evil Reps keep gettin their talkin points, but dis just don't make sense' type of posts.

then he pretends he cannot comprehend why a 7% margin of victory in which McCain won 22 states in his defeat is not considered a landslide when Dukakis's loss with 10 states won, yet a similar 7% popular vote loss, WAS considered a landslide. The difference of winning 44% of the states vs. 20% of the states escapes him.
 
B. A liberal would be moving US troops out of Iraq, not moving them in as Obama is doing.

C. A liberal would not have sent 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan without first deciding on a mission. Liberals are ANTI-war.
word to the street, Obama is a warhawk
 
Obama is no liberal... I agree with that, he is however as close as we have right now and is a large step closer than Bush was.
 
Topspin said:
B. A liberal would be moving US troops out of Iraq, not moving them in as Obama is doing.

C. A liberal would not have sent 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan without first deciding on a mission. Liberals are ANTI-war.
word to the street, Obama is a warhawk
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Had you read what I posted, it clearly stated that Obama is a liberal with regards to his DOMESTIC agenda.

He may not be as liberal as Obama wants, but the two biggest domestic pushes he is trying to implement are BOTH liberal. Cap and trade is a liberal hoax that pretends by concocting some shell game scheme that suddenly emissions will be reduced. The health care reform is a joke. It does little to actually address WHY costs continue to rise.... but it does try to peddle its way towards universal care.

Again, I am not stating that Obama is the most liberal of all liberals. But he is without question a liberal relative to the population of this country.
 
Superfreak said:
Had you read what I posted, it clearly stated that Obama is a liberal with regards to his DOMESTIC agenda.

He may not be as liberal as Obama wants, but the two biggest domestic pushes he is trying to implement are BOTH liberal. Cap and trade is a liberal hoax that pretends by concocting some shell game scheme that suddenly emissions will be reduced. The health care reform is a joke. It does little to actually address WHY costs continue to rise.... but it does try to peddle its way towards universal care.

Again, I am not stating that Obama is the most liberal of all liberals. But he is without question a liberal relative to the population of this country.
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My bad, I totally agree with what you've said. As far as handouts to the poor he's the most liberal ever. I'm just a reactionary piecenick on the war issue.
 
Superfreak said:
Had you read what I posted, it clearly stated that Obama is a liberal with regards to his DOMESTIC agenda.

He may not be as liberal as Obama wants, but the two biggest domestic pushes he is trying to implement are BOTH liberal. Cap and trade is a liberal hoax that pretends by concocting some shell game scheme that suddenly emissions will be reduced. The health care reform is a joke. It does little to actually address WHY costs continue to rise.... but it does try to peddle its way towards universal care.

Again, I am not stating that Obama is the most liberal of all liberals. But he is without question a liberal relative to the population of this country.
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The majority of Americans are to the LEFT of Obama on healthcare.

Most want a public option .. Obama only pays it lip service, but a real liberal would be out there pushing hard for it everyday.

George Bush is more "liberal" than Dick Cheney .. but that doesn't make Bush a liberal.

Wall Street does not pour money on liberals or socialists.

Wall Street poured money on Obama.
 
blackascoal said:
The majority of Americans are to the LEFT of Obama on healthcare.

Most want a public option .. Obama only pays it lip service, but a real liberal would be out there pushing hard for it everyday.

George Bush is more "liberal" than Dick Cheney .. but that doesn't make Bush a liberal.

Wall Street does not pour money on liberals or socialists.

Wall Street poured money on Obama.
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1) Wrong, the majority of this country is to the right of Obama... at least on his domestic issues.

2) Saying 'most want a public option' doesn't mean much. It is HOW the public option is deployed that matters. I would support a public option... IF it wasn't subsidized by the government.

3) Bullshit. Wall Street will pour money into the hands of those in power. It always has. It always will.... as long as we continue to pretend that bribes are 'lobbying efforts' this will not change.

4) the Majority of this country is AGAINST the current health care plans being presented. This is because they do not solve the cost issues... yet have some big liabilities the likes of Medicare and SS.
 
Damocles said:
First it was 7 points solely if you round down McCain's number while rounding up Obama's (the actual percentages: Mccain 45.7% Obama 52.9%)... secondly, Dukakis was "blown out of the water" because he lost nearly every single state in the electoral college, not because of the percentage in the popular vote. Every state hated Dukakis, except a tiny region in the northeast, 3 states in the midwest and 2 states in the northwest. McCain outdid Dukakis by about double his votes in the electoral college.

The 3% swing is based on the 6% difference between Obama and McCain, if 3% voted McCain rather than Obama the result would have been a statistical tie.
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The electoral college vote is irrelevant, as it's pretty much based on the popular vote, biased to the Republicans by about 1%. You are retarded to say 'every state hated Dukakis' whenever he lost most states by small margins. If the vote had swung 3% to Dukakis, Dukakis would have won the popular vote (although not the electoral vote, because of the previously mentioned 1% bias he'd need a 4%-5% swing for that).
 
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Superfreak said:
Cap and trade is a liberal hoax that pretends by concocting some shell game scheme that suddenly emissions will be reduced.
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A hoax? That doesn't even make sense in this context. Cap and trade is basically a regulation. The "shell game" of the trade part basically only means that most emissions reductions are allocated by the market to the places where it is most efficient to reduce carbon emissions.
 
Superfreak said:
1) Wrong, the majority of this country is to the right of Obama... at least on his domestic issues.

2) Saying 'most want a public option' doesn't mean much. It is HOW the public option is deployed that matters. I would support a public option... IF it wasn't subsidized by the government.

3) Bullshit. Wall Street will pour money into the hands of those in power. It always has. It always will.... as long as we continue to pretend that bribes are 'lobbying efforts' this will not change.

4) the Majority of this country is AGAINST the current health care plans being presented. This is because they do not solve the cost issues... yet have some big liabilities the likes of Medicare and SS.
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1, 2, 3, and 4 ...

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

According to the polling, Americans are to the left of you and 77% want a public option .. and so do the doctors ..

Doctors overwhelmingly support either a public option or a public system. Indeed, when you add the two groups together, it's more than 70 percent of respondents. There were some differences across specialties, but not a lot: about 75 percent of primary care doctors favored a public option or public system, while about 67 percent of surgeons felt similarly.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/09/doctors_support_the_public_opt.html

What Americans know is that the status quo won't solve anything and that healthcare costs will continue to spiral on our present most ridiculous course.
 
blackascoal said:
The majority of Americans are to the LEFT of Obama on healthcare.
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????....apparently he's also to the left of the Democrats in the Senate.....he's also on record as being in favor of a single payer plan, are you pretending the majority of Americans agree with that?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
????....apparently he's also to the left of the Democrats in the Senate.....he's also on record as being in favor of a single payer plan, are you pretending the majority of Americans agree with that?.....
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Honestly, it's difficult discussing politics with people who don't know politics.

Obama has SAID a lot of shit on healthcare. If you know politics then you know that he was pushed to utter the words "single-payer" by Hillary Clinton.

If you know politics then you know that the public option is the trade-off for this administration NOT pushing single-payer.

The majority of Americans favor the public option and if you can read a graph or a newspaper article then you'd recognize that I have already demonstrated that point .. and for giggles, also demonstrated that the majority of doctors also favor the plan.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/boggle....yeah, irrelevant....all it does is determine who the president is going to be.....
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I'm not going to respond to your willful ignorance in the future.

Here's my one last attempt to enlighten you, ignorant child: the electoral college follows the popular vote, not vice versa. Now go to bed, the adults are talkign.
 
blackascoal said:
Honestly, it's difficult discussing politics with people who don't know politics.

Obama has SAID a lot of shit on healthcare. If you know politics then you know that he was pushed to utter the words "single-payer" by Hillary Clinton.

If you know politics then you know that the public option is the trade-off for this administration NOT pushing single-payer.

The majority of Americans favor the public option and if you can read a graph or a newspaper article then you'd recognize that I have already demonstrated that point .. and for giggles, also demonstrated that the majority of doctors also favor the plan.
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lol.....I love it when you contradict yourself.....if he needed a tradeoff to NOT push a single payer plan why do you pretend he was only pushed into supporting it by Hillary.....
 
Watermark said:
I'm not going to respond to your willful ignorance in the future.

Here's my one last attempt to enlighten you, ignorant child: the electoral college follows the popular vote, not vice versa. Now go to bed, the adults are talkign.
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now I understand why you think Bush stole the 2000 election, it's because you haven't got a clue how our election system works......
 
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