Opinions on Vaccines

I believe i say in the tread i am on this side of the fence.. and this is a debate forum is it not?


You're as bad as the global warming deniers. You appear to be waiting for an absolute, 100% guarantee that vaciines don't have these side effects. Your wait will be infinite, because science can never prove anything with 100% certainty.

However, according to the links provided, the nation's TOP medical experts - including the National Academy of Science - says that there is no credible evidence linking vaciines to autism.
 
I believe that the more you look into this the more your eyes will open. Also if you follow chapdogs golden rule you would determine that there is definitely something fishy going on.

chapdogs golden rule:
Follow the money
 
I looked at it but i could also fill 100 links on here that say otherwise. Just Google it.

First you need to accept that its still an unknown. otherwise congress would not be funding research into autism and there wouldn’t be politicians talking about it if everything has been proven.

You talk as if its a proven fact that nothing is causing this increase in autism... and that there is not an increase in autism.

First of all, the link I provided was the Library of Medicine at NIH. I don't know where you're likely to find a more credible link. As a scientist I don't go in for public consensus.

Politicians know nothing about science. Congress isn't directly funding autism; that's done through NIH. Politicians respond to whatever PACs are most vocal at any one time; there may or may not be anything further than that to fuel their "interest". It certainly isn't anything resembling familiarity with a topic, especially a medical topic.

I said nothing about "nothing" causing an increase in autism. I said that the suggestion that vaccines are the source has been shown to be false. Damo touched on it a bit. Autism as a syndrome has become better described in recent years, and different forms of autism have also been identified and described. As with many such disorders it is impossible to determine, retrospectively, whether there is a valid increase in incidence. The most likely scenario is that diagnosis has improved drastically with better description and detection methods. So then many children whose autism was previously undetected (e.g. Asperger's Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism), along with many scores of others who most likely were diagnosed as "developmentally disabled" (formerly called "retarded"), now have a more accurate diagnosis.

I'm curious. If you've already made up your mind about this, why did you ask for opinions?
 
I believe that the more you look into this the more your eyes will open. Also if you follow chapdogs golden rule you would determine that there is definitely something fishy going on.

chapdogs golden rule:
Follow the money
Not true. The supposed ingredient (the one that was common in the vaccines which supposedly caused this) which causes the supposed effect has been removed from the vaccines in the US for YEARS. Long enough to notice that there was NO EFFECT on instances of autism. It is as close to absolute proof as you are ever going to get. It isn't the vaccinations causing this. There is no common ingredient among them to cause the same effect in all the places with high levels of vaccination.
 
Does anyone recall that not very long ago autism was blamed on "parental inattention"?, on the fact that so many couples are both working, and it was suggested that autism occurred in families where both parents were busy professionals who paid little attention to the child?

That was so damaging, and so unfair, and as inaccurate as the whole "schizophrenigenic mother" suggestion.
 
Flu Deaths Outrageously Exaggerated to Increase Vaccine Sales

Many people are rushing out to get a dose of the flu vaccine, as the supposed number of flu deaths a year is an estimated 36,000. However, new evidence shows a major flaw in these numbers.

One critic determined to expose the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and vaccine manufacturers for falsely instilling fear in people, has found the truth behind the “statistics.” According to the CDC’s most recent death statistics located on their Web site, influenza and pneumonia killed 62,034 people in 2001. That means, in light of the current statistic, that just over half of those deaths resulted from the flu. This however is far from true.

Upon further investigation of the Web site, the actual number of deaths caused by the flu came to 257, with pneumonia accounting for the remaining number of deaths.

The question in everyone’s mind is: What’s the real truth? Critics suggest the answer lies in the CDC’s misleading warnings of the dangers linked to the flu, as well as their “recipe” for increasing flu shot demands. The ingredients include:

Concern
Anxiety
Fear
Moreover, significant profits are generated through the manufacturing, distributing and administrating of the flu vaccine. Sales from 2003 reached $332.4 million dollars, which only accounted for the manufacturing aspect of the vaccine.

Even more shocking, is the information the CDC posted on their Web site based on their own studies. They believe the flu vaccine to only be 16-63 percent effective against the flu. With this data in mind, critics conclude the flu vaccine to be pretty much worthless. In response, the CDA claims that their study did not imply the vaccine to be completely ineffective.

Lastly, the majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States contain Thimerosal. This methyl mercury based preservative has been linked to autism, Alzheimer’s, and ADD. According to studies, the FDA is allowing vaccines with small amounts of Thimerosal to go undisclosed with labels claiming them to be “preservative-free. “

The CDC’s target group for the flu vaccine last year was people over 65, or people with chronic medical conditions. This year their focus will center on children ages two and under.

LewRockwell.com October 9, 2004.

Big News Network.com October 16, 2004


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Dr. Mercola's Comment:

If you go to the CDC's main flu page you will find the 36,000 deaths number and a link to the actual flu table that has the death statistics.

But if you go to the more comprehensive overall death report you will find that only 753 people died of flu in 2002, which is an example of how many less deaths there are, than what is actually being reported by the CDC.

Just because health officials warn us that the flu season isn’t over, and the second wave of the flu could occur, that doesn't mean that you should run out and get a flu shot. Flu shots are full of potential problems, and the CDC admitted the shots don't even work.

If you are interested in finding out more about the vaccine issue and protecting your health and the health of your loved ones, I recommend looking into Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal, a two-hour video by world-renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. The facts on several crucial areas are covered including:

How vaccines can cause illnesses such as autoimmune diseases, allergies and ear infections
The link between vaccines and developmental learning and behavioral disorders in children
How vaccines have never been proven safe
The ingredients and contaminants in vaccines and why they're detrimental to your health
Remember, there are effective alternatives to the flu vaccine that will actually keep you healthy in addition to preventing the flu. Some of these alternatives include exercising regularly, getting enough sleep and addressing stressors.
 
Oh... I see, you think we all get flu shots?

I see no real reason to get flu shots. So, thimerosal has been removed from vaccines in the US for years, and you think that all those kids went and got a flu vaccination instead? I don't think so.
 
You're as bad as the global warming deniers. You appear to be waiting for an absolute, 100% guarantee that vaciines don't have these side effects. Your wait will be infinite, because science can never prove anything with 100% certainty.

However, according to the links provided, the nation's TOP medical experts - including the National Academy of Science - says that there is no credible evidence linking vaciines to autism.

I think you would find that many in your party (not accepting money from merck or other pharmaceuticals) are questioning vaccine safety as well.
 
I'd also like to see where they came by the "fact" that flu vaccines contain thimerosal.

BTW - Give us links, not just copy paste, the source is as important as the supposed information.
 
Oh... I see, you think we all get flu shots?

I see no real reason to get flu shots. So, thimerosal has been removed from vaccines in the US for years, and you think that all those kids went and got a flu vaccination instead? I don't think so.

This is just a general vaccine related thread. I would not get or give my 3yo child a flu vaccine.

Im just surprised at how closed minded you are on this topic Considering the number of descending positions and inconclusive evidence either way.
 
Those sources are sensationalistic, op-ed political and/or "news" sources, not scientific. One is a Ron Paul site and the other I've never heard of before.

If you don't care to bother to read the scientific information that's up to you. But I'm done.
 
I have spoke to several medical doctors who I trust. They all said that vaccines are one of the few proven effective advances in pedatriatic medicine over the past 50 years. There is minimal if not 0 evidence to say they cause autism.

My son got all the vaccines. My kids have a crazy aunt who will not let her kids get the chicken pox vaccine because she is afraid they will get the pox in adulthood and it will be worse. She has to fight them every school year, but she just likes to have someone to fight.
 
Point is that im not saying for certain that it is vaccines. And im surprised that you all say for certain its not vaccines.

I just think its still an unknown.
 
This is just a general vaccine related thread. I would not get or give my 3yo child a flu vaccine.

Im just surprised at how closed minded you are on this topic Considering the number of descending positions and inconclusive evidence either way.
I am surprised at how insistent you are concerning this when the fact is that thimerosal was removed from our vaccines long ago. This is fear mongering, and you have fallen for it.
 
I am surprised at how insistent you are concerning this when the fact is that thimerosal was removed from our vaccines long ago. This is fear mongering, and you have fallen for it.

who is doing the fear mongering? what entity has something to gain from making people believe vaccines cause autism?

what entity has something to loose from people believing vaccines cause autism?

BTW - Thimerosal is not the only contaminant in vaccines. and i dont think 100% of it was removed. Have to find a link here

Again - my opinion is that its a combination of being pre-disposed genetically and then a trigger.. possibly vaccines.
 
I am of the stable that thinks vaccines are risky for some children.. definitely those who are pre-disposed to have sensitive stomachs or allergies.

I know there is lots of people on both sides here but there is just way to many question for me to risk my kids with such aggressive ever growing vaccine schedules.

THE CDC says they are safe. .but is the CDC a credible un biased party here? I think not considering they are government run and likely have lots of outside interference in there conclusions.


Anybody here have an opinion or experience on this under-reported topic?

cha

most vacines are ok and even help you...but some are not checked the way they are supposed to and verified that they work properly on all ages

wait, we cannot test them on all ages - but somehow they are administered to all ages
 
Chap Thorn is THE medical expert on here.

With that said I have yet to get a flu shot....
I always had all my other vaccine shots. I guess some just like crippled and dead children though.
How many American kids do you see now a days with polio ?
How many die with diptheria ?
tetanus is generally fatal.

Do you get rabies shots for your dogs ?
 
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