Our Covid Debate

7) Treating Seniors As Equals

7a) treat seniors as equals unless medical science says otherwise
7b) stop making decisions for seniors
7c) value children far more than adults (including seniors)
7d) stop feeling sorry for seniors
7e) stop being so pathetically afraid of death
7f) embrace suicide

7a) treat seniors as equals unless medical science says otherwise
This needs to become a standard thought pattern of people. Now, it’s often like seniors are
treated as glorified children.
But I say they should be treated as absolute equals (mentally and emotionally - anyway) until
there is proven factual, medical evidence that a person is not ‘sane’. And until such evidence is
obtained, that person should be given the right to be assumed to be sane in every sense of the
legal term.
I believe this needs to happen to turn this thought process into a habit. Seniors must never have
their legal rights to self-determination taken away to even the slightest degree until factual proof
of insufficient, mental capacity can be proven.
I am not talking about operating dangerous machines like flying aircraft. Operating any major
machine should always be left to the potential operator to prove that they are sane enough to
operate it - not the other way around.
No, I am talking about letting seniors determine their own healthcare and livelihoods. Not just
legally - but morally.

7b) stop making decisions for seniors
This is fundamental to this COVID-19 problem. People are deciding what must be done to save
seniors from COVID-19. Yet I have never seen even one, major (or any - to be honest) survey as
to what seniors actually want in this regard.
Do they want the world to shut down just so they can feel/possibly be a bit safer? Or would they
want people just to make sure they can be quarantined safely and comfortably if they require it
(assuming they cannot afford to do it on their own).
I do not recall anyone giving seniors this choice or even a say. It is just assumed they would love
it/go along fully with it.
I cannot recall how many times a major politician has spoken for seniors during these
lockdowns. And I still do not recall them even once using a major poll to backup their argument.
It seems to always be justifications like: ‘I am not taking my grandmother’s life for granted. Are
you?’ Or: ‘what kind of a terrible person would not want their government to do everything in
their power to protect the seniors of their community?’
It’s all about shaming people into agreeing with the lockdowns.
Now, if the lockdowns’ principally killed children? I would understand the governments making
assumptions as to what is and is not best for children. But this is not the case - quite the opposite
actually.
And could you imagine if the government was presupposing to speak for adults between ages 18-
54? Many people would be outraged. But because it is seniors that the politicians are principally
speaking of...people largely just shut up about it. Because if they don’t - then they are ‘seniors
haters’ or ‘just terrible people as seniors must be protected at ALL costs...whether we ask them
or not’. Not perfectly accurate possibly - but it is in essence what many people are saying to
justify the lockdowns.
The bottom line on this - to me - is that the government wants the lockdowns (for whatever
reason(s)) and they are using the fact that most people feel protective/controlling of seniors as
the guilt to do it.
And it is not just being ‘protective’ of seniors. It is also being ‘controlling’ of them. Like seniors
cannot take care of themselves - so we have to do it for them.
Sure, it does not apply to ‘active’ seniors. But as soon as seniors start to really slow down (even
if they are still sane in every, reasonable sense of the word) - that is often it...someone else has to
start taking over their life ‘for their own good’...in one form or another.
Before you use seniors as the great excuse to have the lockdowns - why not actually ask the vast
majority of these seniors what they think? Even if they agree with them? Fine. But at least ask
them rather then just speaking for them like they are not even in the ‘room’.

7c) value children far more than adults (including seniors)
As I wrote above, there are millions of children in poor countries that are at risk of starving to
death because the aid they normally get that largely feeds them is in danger of drying up thanks
to the COVID-19 lockdowns/overreactions. I find this especially disgusting.
There is no one in the world more important than children - no one.
Unlike seniors - children have not lived a full live.
Unlike adults/seniors - children have rarely been able to look after themselves.
Unlike adults/seniors - children have been for the entirety of their young lives, utterly dependent
(in almost all cases) for adults to look after them. If adults do not give them food - they starve. If
adults do not give them medicine - they get sicker. If adults do not give them shelter - they suffer
from exposure.
Unlike adults/seniors - they have not had an entire lifetime to save up money for things like this.
They have not got a condominium apartment or a house that they paid off over the years that
they can live in during the pandemic. They do not have retirement accounts to tap into during the
pandemic.
All these people worrying about themselves and seniors (almost all of whom they do not even
know)...but they don’t seem to give a crap about children starving in other countries.
Now I realize there are lots of stupid and/or selfish and/or flat out awful people who literally do
not care about children in other countries because they are the ‘wrong’ religion or they have the
‘wrong’ amount of melanin in their skin or some other pathetic, hate-filled, xenophobic bs.
But I am not talking about them. They are lost causes - mentally disturbed losers whom are not
worth paying attention to. I would rather hear the mental thoughts of a house fly (were that
possible) then listen to what these human losers think.
No, I am talking about ‘normal’ people. People whom do not just hate people whom are
different. People whom do not disregard people whom are different.
But sadly - the longer I live - the more I realize people like that are much fewer and much farther
between then I once thought. In fact, every year over the past 20 or so...I seem to be expecting
less and less from humanity.
But whatever...to those few people whom do care about these children? Do something for them.
Send them some money. Keep them in your thoughts more often. Talk to others about them.
And the MSM. You virtual, corporate maggots are already pathetic in my eyes. But why don’t
you try and claw back some of the bad karma you have created with your coverage of COVID19 and try and cover those children in other countries whom are starving to death?
Why not do major reports on them? Documentaries? Get this notion into people’s heads. Get
them thinking about these poor children. You seem to know how to con the ignorant masses into
panicking when you wish - why not try and ‘con’ people into worrying about children in poor
countries whom are literally starving to death?
I can see that more and more people seem to be thinking as I am - that the MSM were part of the
cause of the panic. That they had their own agenda and they are largely guilty for much of the
economic and emotional destruction that the lockdowns have wrought. And as they see this more
and more - you (the MSM) are going to need some way to redeem yourselves in their eyes. And a
good way to do that is to try and start taking the high road on issues (if you even know how). To
embrace issues that few are talking about - but should. Issues like...starving children in poor
countries and how COVID-19 lockdowns are literally killing them (indirectly).
Maybe, if you are fortunate, this will distract people from what a horrific job your did on
COVID-19 and allow you to begin to claw back a tiny bit of the respect the masses had for you
at one time. Because you are going to need this going forward.
If the MSM has ANY illusions about financial survival over the long term? Then they are going
to HAVE to take the high road. Going to have to embrace professionalism and responsible
journalism. This is - IMO - their only hope at financial sustainability going forward in the
internet world. I am not sure MSM people can do this. I am not even sure they actually know
what I am talking about. Some of them probably do - many probably do not.
But this could be a beginning - take the world view (to at least a point) and try and force people
to look at and think about all the suffering children in the world. And how helping them is very
possible and not incredibly expensive either.
And to the rest?
Children ARE the future. They will make up the future world. They will remember that while
they were starving - the West did little because they were too frightened of their ‘old fart
disease’.
It’s sad. If these children were dying of COVID-19? The media would be all over them with
coverage. Clamoring for photos of these poor children who are coughing and dying of COVID19. That would be visual gold for them. And the politicians would love it as well. This would
give them even more ammunition to enforce the lockdowns they (seem to) know and love.
But no. Since these helpless children are ‘only’ dying of starvation or easily-curable
diseases...the MSM doesn’t give an ‘f’. Neither do the politicians. In fact, they probably do not
even want to talk about them. Why? Because if word gets out that the lockdowns might be the
cause of elevated numbers of children starving? That would make both the MSM and especially
the politicians look bad. People might not support the lockdowns like the corrupt politicians want
them to.
So, since it seems to be in neither the politicians nor the MSM’s interest to cover these millions
of malnourished children whose lives are deteriorating much faster thanks to COVID-19
lockdowns? The less said about these poor, unfortunate children...the better (in the
MSM/government’s eyes).
Make no mistake - children are worth more than adults and more then seniors. They are generally
helpless and depend on others. We have a duty to look after them - all of us.
Anyone who thinks of someone else’s grandfather rather than of someone else’s child? Is all
screwed up when it comes to importance in life, in this regard.
CHILDREN MUST ALWAYS COME FIRST.
NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE.

I care not what anyone says on this - saving children is more important than saving adults. And
far more important than saving seniors - who have had the chance at a full life already - the
children haven’t.
Yes - if I was to rank humans insofar as protecting them? I would say protect children first, 18-59
adults second and seniors third.
Again, seniors have had their chance at life. To live 60 years (which to me is the start of old age
and being a ‘senior’) is ‘not bad’. Yes, probably living to at least 70-75 is what I would truly call
a ‘full life’. But my point is that people look at seniors as more important than 18-59 years old’s.
They are NOT. They have had their chances. They made their choices. To die at 60 is a hell of a
lot less sad than to die at 45 or 31 or 7.
So again, in the grand scheme of things, in my opinion? Children should always come first, 18-
59 year olds come second and 60+ seniors come last (and I will be joining the latter group
relatively soon - and I still feel the way I do about this even with my own age in my mind). You
NEVER should sacrifice children for anyone. And you should never sacrifice 18-59 year old
adults to save 60+ year old seniors.
Sure - try and save them all. But if all cannot be saved? Seniors should be the first to be
sacrificed. Right now? It seems the order is children first, seniors second, the rest last. Nope.
Save children, than 18-59's and then seniors.
Children must always be the first priority. And if ALL others must be sacrificed to save children -
do it...in a heart beat.
And that is for ALL children...all over the world...poor or not...no matter their religion or skin
color.
I should not have to tell you people this.
But sadly, it appears that I do.

7d) stop feeling sorry for seniors
This ties into what I wrote about above....this habit of non-seniors feeling like they have to ‘look
after’ and ‘look out for’ and even ‘speak for’ seniors. None of this is so.
Seniors - so long as they are legally/medically sane (i.e. are mentally capable of making
decisions about their own lives themselves) - they should be treated NO different than any other
adult. Sure, they may have physical limitations that most adults do not have. But that has nothing
to do with their mental abilities. So long as they are ‘sane’...they are individuals and should be
treated no different than any other sane adult.
But that is not how many seniors are thought of or treated. And this COVID-19 lockdown
nonsense and using seniors as the ‘bait’/justification for it is proof of this. No one/few are
actually asking seniors what they want...people are speaking for them. Not just politicians. But
the MSM, major bureaucrats, corporations and anyone else who benefits in any way (including
the ignorant masses who are just terrified of COVID-19 and want lockdowns to save their own
cowardly skins at the cost of almost anyone else).
It’s like seniors are being used to justify all this...without even consulting them in any substantial
sense...if at all.
And when a senior speaks up about the lockdowns in a negative way - they are forced to shut up
as fast as possible.
This is not to say that people should not be concerned about seniors. Of course they should, They
are all slowly deteriorating. Some are rapidly deteriorating. And many need assistance.
But just like you should not speak for a 26 year old, mentally 'fine’ paraplegic, you should not
speak for a 63 year old senior who is physically limited, but still mentally ‘sane’.
Yet this is EXACTLY what politicians and many others are doing...they are speaking for seniors.
And the ones that do so for decent reasons probably also feel sorry for seniors.
But what is to feel sorry for? They have had a full life? That’s a lot more than many people ever
get. Sure, they might be aging and nearing death. But everyone dies...they are just nearing their
‘expiration date’. That is part of the deal. You are born, you grow up, you live, you age and then
you die (if you leave a relatively full life). We know this. So what is to feel sorry about?
Now, if they are in pain or they are depressed - okay, I get the pity - I feel it as well for those in
these situations. But again, it is all part of the deal.
Now, one group of seniors (or anyone in this position) that I do feel sorry for are those seniors
whom wish to end their lives but the government will not legally let them. Those people I
DEFINITELY feel sorry for. It is their life and they should be able to legally end it whenever
they wish (assuming they are ‘sane’). To force people to live in absolute misery against their will
is little different than torture, except no information is trying to be extracted. Suicide/assisted
suicide laws MUST change. And they slowly seem to be changing. But too slowly, imo.
But aside from this group...those seniors whom do not want to commit suicide and are mentally
‘sane’...I do not feel sorry for. They have weighed up everything and have decided that they still
like life enough to continue it. So obviously life is still good enough for them to wish for it to
continue. So what is to feel sorry for?
Now, I am not talking about seniors in great poverty or whom are being abused. Sure, that is
horrible and to feel sorry for. But lots of people - of any age - are in great poverty and/or are
being abused. These things are not exclusive to people of advanced age. And the same goes for
physical disabilities or depression. Again, these things can befall people of any age.
But to people that have enough to eat and have a decent life otherwise, but just happen to be over
60? I do not feel sorry for (assuming they are ‘sane’ and do not wish to die). And neither should
you, in my opinion.
They have lived a long life, still want it to continue, had a chance to try and be ‘all that they can
be’...and are still alive and kicking and ‘sane’.
That is nothing to feel sorry for...they are to be envied...they made it. Most people want to live to
be seniors. Many die along the way or lose their ‘sanity’ somewhere along the road. But not these
seniors I am speaking of. They ‘won’ the race. There is nothing to feel sorry for, as I see it. If
anything - they should be admired.
 
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7e) stop being so pathetically afraid of death

People are too afraid of death...way too afraid of it. And it is not even logical - if you think about
it. We are ALL going to die, there is NOTHING any of us can do about it...so why sweat it?
Me? I used to be afraid of dying. About life after death. I am not really now.
Now I am afraid of the act of dying - about how much I will suffer, how I will handle it, how
long will I be out of control before I die. Those things I definitely fear.
If I am in a lot of pain for a few minutes/hours (like with a heart attack) and then I die? That’s
okay. It ain’t Thrillsville. And I do not want to die yet. But if that is the way I go - that’s good
with me.
It’s funny - long ago, I was really afraid of a heart attack or cancer. Now, I am afraid of cancer
because it often means death. But I have already decided that I am not doing any chemotherapy
or radiation therapy. I have known too many people that have had one or both of them done...and
it is just not remotely worth it to me. Were I much younger - maybe they would be. But now - in
my 50‘s...naaa. The only way I would ever do those was if it was the only thing they could do
and the odds of success were very high...like well over 70%. But if it was 50/50 and I had to do
LOTS of chemo/radiation just to get those odds? Forget it.
To me, dying with dignity is more important to me than living out of control. Quality over
quantity has long been a motto of mine.
But if I get cancer and I need lots of crap to have a decent chance to get rid of it? No way. I
watched my mother slowly die of cancer. And there is NO WAY I am doing it her way. I love her
very much - but a slow, painful death where you lose more and more of your faculties...I see zero
point to that.
Now, if they can cut out the cancer? It would depend on how much of me they have to hack
away at. Cut off my finger? Okay. Cut off my arm? Not sure I am down with that. And if they
start cutting out lots of organs? Pass.
My biggest fear is probably a stroke. Because that can not only affect your body - but also your
brain. And probably my biggest worry is lying in a hospital/somewhere and slowly dying while
everything is done for me. Feed me, change my diaper, sponge bathes. YUCH!!!!!!!!!! Maybe
others are okay with that...not me. That represents a nightmare scenario.
Cancer almost always gives you time to off yourself, at least. A stroke often does not.
So now, when I read some old guy/gal dies of a heart attack? I envy them. Assuming it was not
some convoluted one that took hours and hours and/or days and whatever...but they died in a few
minutes/hours? That sounds about as good a way to die as any that are common. You are in
intense pain, you eventually (I assume) go unconscious, you die in a few minutes/hours. Okay.
Not fab - but not bad all things considered.
So yes, I am afraid of how I die (or, more accurately, how I live once I am dying). But death
itself? Sure, there is some wonder and trepidation about the afterlife.
And I used to worry greatly that the afterlife could mean no more ‘me’ - my ‘soul’/whatever just
ends. The thought horrified me. Now? It doesn’t bother me at all. I will just stop and I will not
even know I just stopped...because I am gone. Whiff. Fine with me.
Again, not my dream - but I can certainly live with it (pardon the pun).
And all of the above makes me wonder why people worry so much about dying. Or, more to the
point, why they will seemingly do anything to lessen their chances of dying...even if that means
hurting other people’s lives to achieve that.
That is one thing I truly dread....were I to be so cowardly that I significantly hurt someone else
(directly or indirectly) just to increase my lifespan. To die a coward is pretty pathetic.
And it kind of erases any good you might have done in your life...that when push came to shove -
you died a coward.
And that is a lot of what makes these lockdowns so sickening for me...it’s for cowards/selfish
people. People that are afraid of COVID-19 or are afraid their grandpa might croak from it? They
are fine with destroying the planet’s economy and causing untold amount of death and
hardship...just so they and/or their gramps has a better chance at surviving.
Many would probably call that ‘natural’. Baloney. I call it cowardly and incredibly selfish. To
ruin other peoples lives just to try and extent yours/your loved one’s life? Pathetic.
And that is all these lockdowns are...pathetic.
A bunch of selfish cowards who refuse to look at death; because that is all a fear is, an unknown.
If we knew what was coming and it was pleasant...we would not fear it. But because it is an
unknown (and all the religious blather that is rammed down are throats does not help) - we fear
it. Because people cannot conquer their fears. Because they cannot get beyond them. They will
destroy the entire, world economy just so they can feel a little safer.
Man....that is staggeringly cowardly and disgusting, to me.
Here is a thought.
Instead of living this cowardly lifestyle? Why not spend a few hours and really think about death
from as an unbiased perspective as you can? But only think of known facts. Not some baloney
that someone else told you. Because the more you face your fears - with a clear head - the faster
they will almost certainly diminish.
The COVID-19 lockdowns are about fear...pure and simple. That alone makes them wrong.
And death is inevitable. Don’t give into fear and cowardice just to make yourself feel a little
safer. And if you are going to die of COVID-19 - die with some dignity. Not a blithering,
wimpering, cowardly, useless, use-anyone-to-prolong-your-life cockroach of a man/woman.

7f) embrace suicide
This is critical, in my opinion. By taking away the freedom to kill ourselves when we wish to,
the government forces us to try and make the most of our lives.
If suicide were legal, we would not fear death quite as much because we would all know that we
will probably not die in prolonged, extreme suffering. We could end our lives with dignity and
little/no pain...and when and more-or-less how we wanted. Sure, we would still worry about what
comes after death - possibly. But at least our actual deaths would have a far better chance of not
being filled with such agony and fear.
I saw a documentary about life in a Canadian palliative care (death) ward. It was so incredibly
depressing. The staff seemed to do a very nice job of helping their patients. But life for these
patients was horrible - simply horrible (imo). Lying around, waiting to die, often in pain, scared,
alone, their relatives/friends visiting them with depressed looks in their eyes. What an awful,
AWFUL way to go. Yes, I am quite sure there are much worse ways. But this could all be
avoided if the government just made suicide legal.
And not just would it make things so much better for the patients and their families. But it would
save governments (those who have extensive, government healthcare programs) LOADS of
money on palliative care. Plus, terminal people could often avoid very expensive procedures that
just extend their life or help them with pain. Instead, they could just wait until the
pain/diminished capacity grew too large and kill themselves.
And it could/would be a positive ceremony.
I picture it that you choose to die on a certain day by assisted suicide. So you have a party the
day before where you invite your friends/loved ones over and you discuss your life. Celebrate it.
Patch up old quarrels (maybe). Make peace with yourself and others. Share laughs and fond
memories. And then the next day...you snuff it...with just a couple of your closest friends/family
around...with dignity (with assistance from a trained professional organization). So you die
painlessly and at peace (hopefully). Not terrified and gasping for your last breath.
And certainly better than taking a shot gun, trying to blow your head off, the gun slips and you
either blow half of your face off OR your shoulder to bits so it will not work anymore (these are
two, true stories I heard from doctors of mine of suicide attempts with shotguns.). In other words,
allow experts to do it instead of you guessing and just hoping you get it right and not end up just
making things worse.
No, not only is it wrong that the government largely makes it illegal to take your own life. But it
should be every ‘sane’, human adult’s right to be able to off themselves whenever they wish. Just
as we should be able to ingest - more or less - whatever we wish (cocaine, alcohol, battery acid,
etc.), we should be able to terminate our life whenever we wish. And get experts to help us when
the time comes.
If suicide were legal, I truly believe people would be far less obsessed about making sure the
elderly are as comfortable as possible.
Sure, they would not want the elderly to die. But at least then the elderly would have a
choice....they could die anytime they wished. This would take away the argument of ‘we must
protect the elderly and make their declining years as comfortable as possible.’ Because the
elderly (or someone else) could just answer that with: look, if Joe was so unhappy, he could just
off himself. You don’t need to protect him. When the day comes that he wants to die - he can die.
And until then, what he does with his life is his business...and NOT yours.
The option of legal, assisted suicide removes the responsibility entirely for all ‘sane’ elderly
adults’ lives from anyone else but themselves...since now they have an ‘out’ if and/or when they
want to take it.
In other words, assisted suicide allows the ‘sane’ elderly to live their life anyway they
want...taking as many chances as they want. Even if those ‘chances’ could make their future
years of an overall, lower quality. It’s okay...they do not have to suffer (unless they don’t mind
suffering)...they can just off themselves at any point.
 
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8) Finally

This entire COVID-19 handling has been blown right out of proportion, in my opinion. And
frankly, I do not think those that argue that the elderly must be protected is what they really
think...especially the wealthy, the MSM, politicians and major bureaucrats.
Many of these people are deriving different types of benefits from the lockdowns. They do not
want them to end. They are not in any great danger - and they know it. Or, if they are, they are
not worried about it (because they have the resources to easily protect themselves from it). And
they stand to gain lots of power, attention, money and/or control. In many cases, in amounts that
might have staggered the mind a year ago.
So...these people are profiting from the lockdowns. And they want them to continue. So what is
the best way to do that? Eureka! Tell the ignorant masses that the lockdowns protect some weak,
‘helpless’ group. Normally, they would use children. That’s perfect.
Unfortunately, COVID-19 has not cooperated with them on this because 'it’ made children the
age group that faces the least amount of danger of dying from COVID-19. So children as the
justification are out.
But then they found that the old folks - they are the most vulnerable to dying from COVID-19.
Not as good as children being the hardest hit. But not bad. So they use it.
Now, we know that the ‘coronavirus’ kills the very old and/or the very sick in by MILES the
greatest percentages. But the way to protect them is to simply encourage them to self-quarantine.
And then help anyone whom needs assistance to do this. And the fact that most of the truly sick/
weak and the very old are the groups that are probably the lowest levels of employed in the
economy as it is? Quarantining them does not create a huge hole in the economy. Most of them
were either already in bed/infirmed or retired...living off of their own income or
government/insurance/company retirement checks. So the effect to the economy would be
negligible.
But that was not good enough for the ones who want something from this mess. Who want to
profit from it. So, they had to lockdown the entire economy...just to be safe. Why? ‘Because you
never take any chances with the elderly. So we will do whatever it takes to give them a better
chance of survival’
Or, to put it more honestly: ‘We want complete lockdowns and total control over your lives. So
they best way we can think to do this is to give you the impression that the only way to save old
farts is to totally rule your lives. Actually, we don’t really care if your old farts die or not. And
our old farts are already protected because we are so wealthy...so they are in little danger. But,
we know you care about your old farts...so we will use those people as a way to frighten you into
compliance. We would have rather used children...but the bloody COVID-19 virus doesn’t kill
children nearly enough for our needs...darn it all.’
You people must understand that the lockdowns were not instigated to save lives in most cases.
They were instigated to make money and gain control over your lives.
Can I prove that? No...it’s just a belief. A strong belief, but a belief just the same. And I do think
there are some people - especially a few bureaucrats - whom actually think lockdowns are the
way to go. But as I have said before - even these people are shortsighted and not looking at the
big picture and how much tremendous, suffering lockdowns are causing. Far above whatever
lives they are saving.
In my opinion, the MSM deliberately panicked you to raise their ratings.
Then the major bureaucrats deliberately scared you to either gain fame/attention or because they
may be well intentioned but they are not focusing on the damage their ‘solutions’ could/did
cause.
Then major politicians were largely drooling at the prospect of gaining near-total control over
your lives.
And then the major corporations either made fortunes off of the lockdowns OR they got direct
compensation/bailouts from the government.
And we know that, overall, billionaires of the world made money from the lockdowns...lots of
money.
And how did they con the masses into going along with it? Again, by using the elderly - without
their consent - as the weapon to scare you into complying with these immoral and (IMO) largely,
illegal laws/rules.
You people have been had. And though some of you seem to be waking up to this fact. Not
enough of you are. And if you all don’t start waking up, why would the politicians ever let go of
the power they now enjoy?
I mean, if they can lockdown everyone due to a virus that might kill a million people? Why can
they not lockdown everyone for tuberculosis that has sometimes killed over 1.5 million per year?
Or, for the common flu? That could kill upwards of 600,000+ people (mostly the old AND the
very young) every year.
The politicians have had a big taste of lockdown power.
Do you honestly think they will want to go back to having to clear laws through government
Houses/Parliaments - rather then just be able to make up/pass any laws they wish?
They have been Kings/Queens for a few months. Do you honestly think they will want to freely
give up that power? Without any kind of a struggle/fight?
Think very carefully about that, please.
Thank you for reading this book.
 
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6) Solutions to this Seniors Problem?
6a) shame on seniors for allowing SO MANY to sacrifice SO MUCH to help them.
6b) why are most seniors selfish?
6c) but is it really mostly seniors fault on this?
6d) what can be done to turn this around?
6a) shame on seniors for allowing SO MANY to sacrifice SO MUCH to help them.
And I mean that. They sit back and let all these people suffer so terribly...just so they can have a
better chance to live a little longer.
They can read all the information and articles/statistics I put in the Preface earlier. Many of them
MUST be aware - no matter how dumb they are - that seniors are by MILES the most dangerous
group for COVID-19 AND that younger people have little to fear from the virus (in terms of
dying). So, they must (for the most part) know the truth.
Yet I rarely - other than Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick’s brave and honorable statement that I posted
above on the issue - have heard seniors object to all this misery just to help them. To hear a
senior say ‘don’t cause all this pain and suffering just for me and others like me’.
That does not mean no one has. But it certainly has not been reported in any kind of a
widespread fashion that I have seen/heard.
If I were old, I would certainly say it (I believe). Not because I am brave...I do not consider
myself any more brave than average (maybe less - for all I know). But I would not be able to live
with myself knowing that politicians were causing such gigantic misery and death and pain and
economic destruction...just so that I might have a better chance to live a few extra years. I don’t
want that guilt - thank you.
I would probably drive my car down to the local, major City Hall and put up signs on said car
saying what I am saying now. Trying to get people - especially local MSM to interview me. To
get the idea started. To get people thinking about it.
I could do it now - but what good would that do? I am not old. And I am nowhere near the 75+
age that is most affected by COVID-19 seriously. I assume most people would just say I hate old
people.
But why have seniors not done that or things like it? They surely would be taken much more
seriously on this than someone non-old. Why haven’t they? Do they not care about how much
the world is suffering just to help prolong their mostly, useless lives?
I think any senior that is fine with what is going on should be ashamed of themselves in this
regard. They are cowards (in this regard). Doing nothing to stop others from hurting themselves
horribly...just to help save their largely, pathetic and unproductive lives.
And I am not saying that nothing should be done to help seniors on COVID-19. As I said earlier -
money and resources should be allocated to help these people self-quarantine/quarantine. I am
fine with that. And then let everyone else get on with their lives.
But why are seniors not standing up and saying that? That ‘sure, help us with quarantines. But
let the world get back to normal. Don’t ruin everyone’s lives for us when all we ask for is a little
help with quarantining’.
Nope - heard NOTHING like that. NOTHING (other than the Texas fellow I quoted earlier and
maybe one or two others).
What is the matter with these selfish seniors? Do they not give a crap about anyone else but
themselves? Are they so pathetically out of touch that they really don’t know what is going on?
Or do they just not want to ‘rock the boat’?
Naaaa. I think it is that some of them think the lockdowns are overkill. But most of them either
are VERY selfish and/or they are too mentally out-of-it and/or flat out stupid to know what is
really going on.
But if I had to guess - I would say the number one group are the ones who just don’t care. They
are so selfish and used to people doing things for them because they are old...that they just don’t
care enough about all the suffering that helping them is causing.
And if that is true...these people should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. What utter losers.
And that is the thing. Many of these seniors are not - or at least, were not - losers. Many are
veterans. Millions of them. Yet I have heard - other than the Texas gentleman who made that
statement - barely any senior speak up against the lockdowns for the sake of the masses.
Again, not saying none have. But I have heard very few do it.
These veterans fought for their country - bravely, I assume. So they made that sacrifice but not
this one? Why? And this one probably pales in comparison. It’s not like seniors will not be
protected. They just will not ask the world to ruin itself to protect them.
Do these veteran seniors not care about the world/their country now that they are old?
I mean, it would probably not take many seniors to get people thinking - with seniors publicly
calling for governments to stop taking these extremist steps that are causing tremendous hardship
for innocent people...just so seniors can feel a little safer. It would probably only take a few
dozen in a half dozen or so locations to get the ball rolling...assuming the media filmed it. But I
have seen zip. Not in the MSM or on YouTube/Dailymotion/TikTok (though seniors might not
use TikTok much)/etc..
Nothing.
Again, they should be ashamed of themselves (on this subject). I would be were I a senior and I
did nothing to voice my strong condemnation for these extremist steps. And these steps basically
being justified as ‘saving seniors’.
I could not live with myself (I believe) knowing I was a willing participant in this horrible
situation.
So what is the matter with you seniors? Why are you not screaming at the top of your lungs for
the world to stop taking extremist measures on your behalf? Yes, you want to be helped with
self-isolation/isolation...fine. But that can be easily done without locking down the world.
Why are seniors not doing this? What is wrong with them?
Sure, at the beginning - say back in January/February - when the information was iffy...I can see
why they might not have known all the true facts. But by April/May it was obvious that COVID19 is only a significant threat to seniors/severely weakened people. So the excuse was largely
gone by then.
But still...barely a peep from seniors.
And now it is early October...and I still have heard almost nothing from seniors.
Cowards. That is what they seem like to me.
Cowards to sit back and watch the world destroy itself just so they can feel a little safer and/or
live a few years longer?
I certainly would feel a coward were I a senior (especially one over 75) and did nothing to voice
my strong dislike for lockdowns AND plead that the world NOT take steps just to help
seniors...'as we are not worth it. We had our full lives. We had our chance. Don’t destroy millions
of children all around the world and ruin the quality of life for billions of innocent people just to
ease our fears. We can handle it.’
6b) why are most seniors selfish?
Probably because most people are really selfish. And throw in the Milgram Experiment findings
that showed that roughly 2/3'rd’s of humans (male and female) will do terrible things to other
humans simply to be obedient to authority figures.
Also, older people tend to respect authority more than younger people do. Or, to put it another
way, it has been my experience that younger people tend to be more rebellious than older people
are.
So, you have the normal, human response to submit to authority figures. Throw in the fact that
seniors tend to respect authority figures even more so then when they were younger. Throw in
the fact that most older seniors are medically/emotionally dependent on others. Throw in the fact
that seniors are largely treated like children. Throw in the fact that seniors tend to watch MSM
and believe it more than any other group (because that is what they grew up with and learned to
trust - in many cases). Throw in the fact that seniors are the age group that uses the internet the
least. Throw in the fact that senior’s mental faculties - in all cases - are not as good as they once
were (to varying degrees). Throw in the fact that many seniors - especially older ones - are
dealing with serious, medical issues (which can be VERY distracting). Throw in the fact that
seniors are largely forgotten and this COVID-19 attention might make many of them feel
'appreciated’ for the first time in a while.
Add all that up and I guess I was too hard on them above...as a group.
I am still disappointed that more seniors that are intelligent and still independent have not come
out against being 'protected’ by the lockdowns and/or are not against the lockdowns using seniors
as an excuse for these lockdowns.
And no doubt this is true...that the people whom want the lockdowns to continue the most
(politicians/major bureaucrats/MSM) have used the elderly as excuses for everything they do.
With phrases like 'don’t you want to protect your grandma? I want to protect mine’ nonsense like
that, that they utter in one form or another.
6c) but is it really mostly seniors fault on this?
I guess yes and no.
Yes, in so far as those elderly seniors who are intelligent and self-sufficient and have all the
information on this subject that most do...but have not stood up against the
lockdowns/government controls on the grounds of protecting seniors and/or cowardice and/or
selfishness.
Yes in that seniors are just as much ‘people’ as anyone else. They should look past all the
nonsense and speak for themselves...and not let politicians speak for them.
No, in that the world does treat seniors (largely) as children. Sort of like a pat on the head. And
it is ridiculous. Either seniors are equals or they are not (I think ALL humans are equal - sure
some are smarter/whatever than others...but that does not make them ‘better’...just better at
particular things). Either seniors can speak for themselves or they cannot.
If they can...then why the hell are politicians speaking for them?
And if they cannot...then why the hell are they allowed to drive and vote?
Yes, in that if seniors are equal...than they must be held accountable for everything they do (if
they are still mentally ‘together’/sane). They must not let others speak for them - singularly or as
a group. They must speak for themselves.
Yes and No in that seniors are given a pass by society too often. ‘Oh grandpa!!!’ as grandpa does
something mean or stupid ‘because he is old’. If a 27 year old does the same thing...it’s terrible.
But if 77 year old grandpa does it? It’s just ‘grandpa being old’.
Baloney.
If a 27 year old is held accountable for what he says - so should grandpa.
My point is that too many people allow seniors to get away with too much because they belittle
them.
Also, seniors allow others to let them get away with too much. It’s like since they are old they
feel like they have more rights or leeway or something.
Sure, children should have more leeway...they are children. They have not had time to learn
everything. But old people have had time. And unless they are senile or something - they should
be just as responsible for everything they say as any other adult.
And what does this have to do with COVID-19?
Because people look down on seniors - like old children - they feel like they can speak for
seniors. And seniors do little/nothing to stop this. Either because no one is listening to them.
And/or they just are not trying hard enough.
But, whatever the reason, seniors must learn to speak up for themselves AND take responsibility
for what they say and do much more than they do now, IMO.
If Grandpa says something wrong? He should be verbally attacked for it just as much as the 27
year old is.
So, seniors that are in reasonable physical/mental condition must be held accountable for the fact
that the world is being systematically destroyed by lockdowns...and barely any seniors are
raising a peep about it. Which is wrong considering the justification for all this destruction, is to
protect seniors. They cannot have it both ways. They cannot have all the rights that full adults
enjoy - voting, driving a car, etc.. Yet, at the same time, be allowed to be given a pass on many
moral issues/personal responsibilities just because ‘they are old’.
I say they are equals - unless a doctor says otherwise. So they MUST stand up and say ‘no’ to
being used as the excuse for ruining humanity in the name of helping seniors live a little longer.
So, to sum up 6c...I think seniors must be held accountable for everything they say and do AND
don’t say or don’t do (if they have their mental faculties). And since too few of them seem to be
objecting to the ruination of humanity just so they can sleep better at night...I feel those
particular seniors should be ashamed of themselves for letting this sad state of affairs to continue
with them lifting (seemingly) barely a finger to even to try and begin to stop it.
6d) what can be done to turn this around?
First, seniors MUST be treated as equals - in every way (provided they are sane). They must be
shown more respect. And they must not be allowed to get away with ANYTHING just because
they are old. And they must not be spoken for.
I don’t see men chauvinistically speaking for women much anymore (which is good). I don’t see
many ‘white’ people prejudicially speaking for ‘black’ people any more (unless they have a
Black Lives Matter t-shirt on)...which is good.
And no one should speak for seniors any longer. And that includes your
grandparents/parents/whomever are seniors. If they are sane - let them speak for themselves.
How dare you presuppose to speak for them. How dare you assume that responsibility. Would
you like me to suddenly make decisions for you? To speak for you? I doubt it. Than do not be a
hypocrite and speak for sane seniors...let them speak for themselves.
In ALL things - not just Covid-19.
Second, seniors should be given a direct say in the lockdowns. All people over 65 should be
given a referendum (online - not binding) as to whether they want the lockdowns to continue.
But phrase it in a form that includes the fact that they (seniors) are the principle reason the
lockdowns exist. So if they give permission/acceptance of them...they are at least partially
responsible for the chaos/misery that the lockdowns are causing.
It’s time seniors stuck their necks out on this. They are the ones benefitting the most from it (as
an age group). So they are the ones (along with the politicians/bureaucrats and MSM) that have
to be held accountable for the destruction the lockdowns are causing...not legally but morally.
Also, I personally would LOVE to see where seniors stand on all this...once and for all.
Third, this brings up a larger picture. Are seniors full adults? Should they be treated as full adults
in every, sense of the word (assuming they are sane)? If so...than society must STOP this vicious
habit of having younger people speak for their ‘elders’. As I typed above, women and various
ethnic groups are spoken for less and less (and I think that is good - they can speak for
themselves). It is becoming wrong to speak for other adults whom you do not know personally.
The exact same thing should apply to seniors.
Too many younger people seem to feel like it is their moral duty to speak for seniors...like the
latter need help being spoken for.
Well, then let us decide - once and for all - if that is true or not.
Do sane seniors ‘need’ others to speak for them? Not is it ‘nice’...but do they actually need it?
If the answer is ‘yes’...than that means seniors are not full adults as they are not capable of
making adult decisions. And, if that is the case, than they should no longer be treated as adults
And should have adult privileges taken away from them...like driving, voting and drinking
alcohol. They cannot have it both ways. Either they are FULL adults or they are not.
And if the answer is ‘no’...that sane seniors should NOT be spoken for. That they can speak for
themselves and that it is morally wrong to presuppose what seniors think about things (especially
if you do not know them personally). Then, if that is the case, then STOP DOING IT. Seniors can
still drive and drink and vote...but STOP SPEAKING FOR SENIORS....like they are too much
like glorified children to speak for themselves.
I believe strongly in the latter. That seniors MUST be treated as equals in every sense of the
word. That they must be held accountable JUST as much at any other age group for the things
they say or do...maybe even more so since they have SO much more experience than younger
people do (this is assuming the seniors in question are sane).
And that people - especially politicians, major bureaucrats and the MSM - stop speaking for
seniors.
And that the public in general show contempt for those politicians, major bureaucrats and the
MSM who try to speak for seniors.
Just because seniors don’t always have a loud voice...that does not mean they do not speak with
an equal voice.

You're a smart kid, too bad the commies indoctrinated ya and you never got religion.

Also, this isn't the thread to post that stuff. You can start your own thread and let the TL ;DRs start racking up. :)
 
You're a smart kid, too bad the commies indoctrinated ya and you never got religion.

Also, this isn't the thread to post that stuff. You can start your own thread and let the TL ;DRs start racking up. :)

LOL...yeah...I know this isn't the place for it.

But I was bored.
Plus this got banned from Kindle (for not conforming to their 'Covid medical policy').

I assume EVERYONE on here will HATE it.

The left for knocking the lockdowns.
The right for the stuff that they won't like.
And the fact that probably most people on this forum are seniors...ALL of whom will hate it just for the title alone.

But hey...what else is new for me around here (for the most part)?

So...what the fuck?

Ahhh...it's cool.

:cool:

Later.
 
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Preparing for the grownup world in college, when you debate you debate real ideas and real issues with peers. Inside the grown up world of this forum you debate fools, unless you’re one of them, who argue such things as Covid science is a political creed of the Democratic National Party. It’s not only Covid. There’s a mindset, mainly on the Right, that tends to put everything through a prism of politics. Disappointing, to say the least.

There is no such thing as 'covid science'.

You are describing Democrats.
 
My view on COVID.

COVID is a pandemic Virus.
The Government is providing a FREE Vaccine that will keep 90% of people out of the Hospital/Morgue.
You can take the Vaccine or you don't have to. Leaving 'nature' to decide your Future.

I see this as a 'gene pool cleansing' event. The Weak/Stupid will die.

Covid19 does not kill. The vaccine seems to have little effect, if any. It seems to be little more than a placebo.
 
That seems to be the Reality.
Now, rubbing chin, what if Democrats had Trucks disguised as 'Plumbing trucks' or 'Carpet Cleaning trucks', or 'Pizza*Delivery trucks', ... but were really rigged up as 'COVID spray trucks'? You know, had a large tank of COVID inside the truck with spray nozzles aimed outward. They could drive around the Republican precincts and the Operator could 'Bzzzz' ... Bzzzz' at the Grocery Stores, Shopping Malls, and Churches.

Socks. Am I the only one doing any constructive thinking on this?

Biowar, eh? You consider this constructive??
 
Disagree. This is a facts/conspiracy theories forum. There can be no intelligent discussion without an agreed upon framework of what is true. Dutch Uncle, anonymoose, cawacko are not in any way, shape or form part of the blue team. They are however part of the 'team' that accepts reality. They can be reasoned with and you can have intelligent discussions with them. The rest? Not so much.

Buzzword fallacy. Learn with 'fact' means. The Democrat party is a conspiracy. It is not possible to have intelligent discussions with fundamentalists. The Church of Covid is inherently a fundamentalist religion.
 
Every once in a while I try to start a thread on an economic topic, but they immediately devolve into false partisan talking points. I have not encountered a member of the 'red team' that has even a basic understanding of the Fed, the 2008 financial crisis, inflation, CPI, unemployment numbers, interest rates and tax policy. They simply read some garbage on a right wing site and post it like a parrot. If you challenge them on a single point, they retreat to the corner and start slinging mud. It is what it is. I'm here find out what people actually believe. The trolling is just a bonus.

You are describing yourself. Inversion fallacy.
 
My view:

This is a widespread disease. It has a death rate outside select groups on the order of a bad case of the flu.

The select groups, common to many other similar diseases, are:
The elderly
Those with preexisting serious medical conditions
Certain groups and individuals who have genetic predisposition to getting a more serious case.

Outside that, you aren't likely to die from this.
Masks, as being used, are worthless.
The vaccines are proving marginally effective at best, so you decide if you want one.

The weak and stupid are the ones most likely to die.

The 'select groups' you mentioned are susceptible to death via pretty much any respiratory virus such as the common cold or flu.
It's their weak systems and the pneumonia they can get from these viruses that kills them.

Masks are completely ineffective against a virus. You are right about this. Mandating them causes paradox M.
Mandating vaccines causes paradox V.

Death by cancer, pneumonia, car accident, falling off a ladder, etc. are all listed as 'Covid death'.
 
I got 2 Shots and a Booster. I feel pretty protected.
Enjoy your addiction.
If others want to 'roll the dice' on this, that's THEIR decision. It won't affect me.
Correct.
Now, 2 years ago, I could see why their was large panic over this. Today, with 60% vaccinated and others that may have natural immunity (and the rest dead), I can see a more relaxed approach.
Covid19 does not kill.
 
Preparing for the grownup world in college, when you debate you debate real ideas and real issues with peers. Inside the grown up world of this forum you debate fools, unless you’re one of them, who argue such things as Covid science is a political creed of the Democratic National Party. It’s not only Covid. There’s a mindset, mainly on the Right, that tends to put everything through a prism of politics. Disappointing, to say the least.

I've never seen you have a grown-up debate. I'm not sure you even have a point here. Did you vote for Biden in the last election? :palm:
 
This is a 'Red Team/Blue Team' forum. 'Ideas' and 'Issues' aren't discussed. 'Talking Points' are hurled at each other. Basically a place to vent your frustrations.

False narratives and lie filled talking points are all the Democrats have. Name one the Republicans use.
 
My view on COVID.

COVID is a pandemic Virus.
The Government is providing a FREE Vaccine that will keep 90% of people out of the Hospital/Morgue.
You can take the Vaccine or you don't have to. Leaving 'nature' to decide your Future.

I see this as a 'gene pool cleansing' event. The Weak/Stupid will die.

These are not vaccines. They are shots. They are ineffective shots. They don't "prevent" the virus from infecting its host and they don't "prevent" those with the shots from spreading the virus.

Without the shots, 99.84% of those infected recovered completely. Hardly the "deadly" disease the PHONY media and Government apparatchiks pontificate about.

Shutting down and destroying millions of businesses and ruining lives did not stop the virus. Shots did not stop the virus. Mandatory masking did not stop the virus. Travel bans did not stop the virus. Closing schools did not stop the virus. These are just FACTS.

What we do know is that comorbidities like obesity, diabetes and old age are risk factors which is the case for mundane virus like the cold and the flu.

If you keep doing what you have done for two years expecting different results, you just might be a moron. Yes, Dr. Fraudchi is the biggest moron and most dishonest health official hack on the planet.
 
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