Our grandparents made American great, but Trump would have trashed them, too

Guno צְבִי said:
When former President Donald Trump describes immigrants as “garbage” or “vermin,” my third thought is of the ugly strains of nativism and intolerance that have always polluted America’s bloodstream. My second is of Trump’s general loathsomeness. My first, though, is of Yosef Margolick, Chena Silver, Max Shragowitz and Rebecca Ribner.

They’re my grandparents. They, and millions like them, really did help make America great once upon a time. They were Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, and I’ve no doubt that had Trump been around in their day, he’d have called them all of the same names. And had herds of hyenas like the ones in Madison Square Garden the other night cheering him on.

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Our grandparents made America great, but Trump would have trashed them, too

David Margolick designed a series of posters showing historic photos of immigrants in U.S. history to combat rhetoric by Donald Trump.
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trump's German grandparents built the real estate empire that he eventually put his own name on. His father pretended to be Scandinavian in order to curry favor with Jewish clients/lenders.
 
Althea said:
trump's German grandparents built the real estate empire that he eventually put his own name on. His father pretended to be Scandinavian in order to curry favor with Jewish clients/lenders.
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gotta link?

I fully deny this assertion.

it is false.

without proof it will be known as false for all times.
 
Trump is one disgusting troglodyte.
He has tens of millions of followers.

We need to talk a lot more about them.
In the end, tens of millions are the far greater problem.

If we don't partition into ideologically compatible nations, a war of genocide will eventually be the only other option.
For my part, both options are preferable to where we are now.
 
Guno צְבִי said:
When former President Donald Trump describes immigrants as “garbage” or “vermin,” my third thought is of the ugly strains of nativism and intolerance that have always polluted America’s bloodstream. My second is of Trump’s general loathsomeness. My first, though, is of Yosef Margolick, Chena Silver, Max Shragowitz and Rebecca Ribner.

They’re my grandparents. They, and millions like them, really did help make America great once upon a time. They were Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, and I’ve no doubt that had Trump been around in their day, he’d have called them all of the same names. And had herds of hyenas like the ones in Madison Square Garden the other night cheering him on.
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You are correct. America has ALWAYS had a dodgy relationship with immigrants. Anyone who came before us is our ancestor, anyone who comes after us is a dirty subhuman. We've treated pretty much every group of immigrants (Italians, Chinese, Irish, Jews) the same way.

During the early part of WWII when Jews were desperately trying to escape Germany (at a time when Germany was still in "deportation" mode, before they switched to the other setting) a ship load of Jewish refugees was turned away from the US and sent back to Europe where a great number of those people who were within sight of salvation were later exterminated by the Nazis.

The MAGA folks will characterize all this anti-immigrant stuff as "anti-illegal-immigrant" but the whole Haitians eating cats put the lie to that. They were here legally and still were subjected to the attacks.

It's the toxic rhetoric the MAGA movement embraces. The rhetoric that we've seen over and over in our country's history and in the history of other countries. It never pans out in the long run to be something our descendants consider a "good" thing. I suspect that if Trump wins a second term you can bank on the fact that in about 50 years Americans will shake their heads in shame for what we as a nation did.

We've seen ALL of this play out before. It is the curse of literacy and education. Blessed are those who lack both for they will come to Trump as children.
 
Goyboy said:
No, he is the type of Jew who fans the flames of antisemitism. He's the type of Jew that gentiles dislike.
He's arrogant, a bigot and a Jew supremacist. And he plays the antisemitism card constantly.
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Let's parse that shall we? a "Jew Supremacist" that fans the flames of antisemitism. So you are saying that they are a Jew whose attitude you don't like so you feel that antisemitism is OK because they somehow "forced" you into it?

Is LITERALLY everything you guys do wrong someone else's fault? I've heard racists blame the jews for the economy but never for controlling your mind.

Are they using their space lasers?
 
volsrock1 said:
going through Ellis Island was legal
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Fred Trump's dad was evading mandatory military service in Germany in the late 1800's (guess it's a family tradition).

I'm still curious why Trump insisted his grandfather came from Sweden for so long, though (HISTORY.COM), but I can't find anything that showed Friedrich Trump being here illegally.

Actually Friedrich appears to have come in what one might call an "invasion" of up to 1 million Germans who were coming in at the time! LOL. Actually this is probably the same group that included my wife's grandfather who came to the US in the very early 20th Century. Nothing wrong with that. The turned out to be good Americans. Even if they often lived in enclaves where German was the only language spoken (like my wife's home town in the late 19th century) and they were so distrusted during WWI that they had to be carefully watched by all the REAL Americans.

America doesn't do well with integrating immigrants legal or illegal. But ultimately we do. Sooner or later and usually within one generation the kids are 100% Americanized.

America gave a draft-dodging nothing a chance and look how well it paid off for America!
 
This discussion of America's greatness has many facets to it. When the phrase reentered the public lexicon in 2016 people often asked when America was great previously and regardless of the time frame would point out injustices going on during that time to show that in fact the country wasn't great.

Now people are saying America has always been great and those from previous generations (the times when mass injustices were going on) are now considered great.

It's an ever evolving narrative based on the politics of the present.
 
cawacko said:
This discussion of America's greatness has many facets to it. When the phrase reentered the public lexicon in 2016 people often asked when America was great previously and regardless of the time frame would point out injustices going on during that time to show that in fact the country wasn't great.

Now people are saying America has always been great and those from previous generations (the times when mass injustices were going on) are now considered great.

It's an ever evolving narrative based on the politics of the present.
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you're overthinking it.

it's just about correcting the stupidies of excessive globalism.
 
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