“Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse due to years of U.S. foolishness"

Trump blamed both Russia and the US.
Trump says ‘we’re all to blame’ for poor US-Russia relationship
https://fox2now.com/2018/07/16/trum...ussia-relationship-putin-denies-interference/

US President Donald Trump said Monday he holds both the United States and Russia responsible for the breakdown in the relationship between the two countries and railed against the special counsel’s Russia investigation.

“I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. We’ve all been foolish,” Trump said during a joint news conference alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.

“We should have, frankly, had this dialogue a long time ago. I think that we’re all to blame. I think that the United States has now stepped forward along with Russia,” Trump said, adding that he feels that the US and Russia have “both made some mistakes.”

White House entertaining Russian proposal to interrogate U.S. citizens

CBS News· 6 minutes ago

Ambassador Michael McFaul, whom the Kremlin accuses of committing crimes in Russia. "Russian...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-entertaining-russian-proposal-to-interrogate-u-s-citizens/
 
How would you have kept Gadaffi in power?
it wasn't our call to keep him in power. It wasn't our call to depose him either.
It's fairly well accepted he was beating back the NTC -and the fact the rebels never picked up any popular support even with our air cover translates into he would have probably survived.

But again our meddling -just like Euromaidan - has led to bad results.
Annexation of Crimea - and to an extent the war in Donbass
 
Actually I was asking what has Russia done to HELP US when it comes to thwarting terrorism?

I guess I am looking for examples like:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-gave-us-help-on-al-qaeda-after-9-11/

Now my guess is that you feel since Russia has helped us tangentially with sharing information -- that is why they deserve a softer stance by our president to the point of appeasement --- but if Iran helped us, it doesn't mean we should make a nuke deal with them in the future because, muslims bad -- well not all muslims, just muslims who are not Saudi

by the way, the Iraq model is why Iran and North Korea pushed to develop nukes long before Qaddafi got suckered into giving up nukes -- since everyone knows that a country WITH NUKES does not get invaded by other countries.
there is more then 1 model. Libya is generally referred to for North Korea because of the way
an existing nuke power/development of nukes, goes about dismantling it's infrastructure.

The U.S. and Russia Teaming Up on Terrorism
In the 2000s, that disparity complicated counterterrorism discussions. The United States was interested in intelligence sharing on Al Qaeda; the Russians wanted information on exiled Chechens that they suspected of supporting violent separatism. Neither had much to offer the other, because their collections of priorities were focused on the main threat to their own countries, not on helping the other deal with its problem. Worse, from Moscow’s perspective, the West granted refuge to Chechens it considered terrorists.

But the rise of the Islamic State began to close this conceptual gap.
https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/isis-worst-nightmare-us-and-russia-teaming-terrorism

The problem with your analysis is that Iran is 100% hostile to cooperation with the US on terrorism.
Whereas we can make that a common goal with KSA
 
US mishandled Russian relations starting with the fall of Berlin -German re-unification. by NATO expansion

What the OP show is our manipulation in the Ukraine,which caused the 2014 revolution -
which led to the Crimean annexation due to threatened access to Sevastopol for Russia's Black Sea navy

Liberals don't want to hear that we were the cause of Russia invading Ukraine. They want to keep believing that Putin is the bad guy.
 
Liberals don't want to hear that we were the cause of Russia invading Ukraine. They want to keep believing that Putin is the bad guy.
yes. and not just liberal (or Democrats really). Plenty of Republicans as well.

Putin might not be so bad if we hadn't fomented revolution in Ukraine under Obama.
Or lied about NATO expansion post German reunification. etc.
 
Trump blamed both Russia and the US.
Trump says ‘we’re all to blame’ for poor US-Russia relationship
https://fox2now.com/2018/07/16/trum...ussia-relationship-putin-denies-interference/

US President Donald Trump said Monday he holds both the United States and Russia responsible for the breakdown in the relationship between the two countries and railed against the special counsel’s Russia investigation.

“I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. We’ve all been foolish,” Trump said during a joint news conference alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.

“We should have, frankly, had this dialogue a long time ago. I think that we’re all to blame. I think that the United States has now stepped forward along with Russia,” Trump said, adding that he feels that the US and Russia have “both made some mistakes.”

Note this. When Obama mentioned US flaws in his speeches cons excoriated him. When trump does it cons praise him.

"When President Obama began his term, he made a number of speeches in the Middle East and elsewhere -- all designed to forge better ties with Europe, the Middle East, and Latin America.

Critics such as Romney have said Obama apologized for past actions in such addresses. Obama did indeed mention past U.S. flaws in speeches. But in those addresses, Obama never uttered an apology for the United States.

Those statements were snippets, part of larger and grander narratives about repairing ties, building friendship and working together."
 
Note this. When Obama mentioned US flaws in his speeches cons excoriated him. When trump does it cons praise him.

"When President Obama began his term, he made a number of speeches in the Middle East and elsewhere -- all designed to forge better ties with Europe, the Middle East, and Latin America.

Critics such as Romney have said Obama apologized for past actions in such addresses. Obama did indeed mention past U.S. flaws in speeches. But in those addresses, Obama never uttered an apology for the United States.

Those statements were snippets, part of larger and grander narratives about repairing ties, building friendship and working together."
Obama had such a bad foreign policy of regime change (Libya) failing to enforce his own red line (Syria) that his speeches became meaningless
 
By Patrick Buchanan
Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:01 AM Current | Bio | Archive

Beginning his joint press conference with Vladimir Putin, President Trump declared that U.S. relations with Russia have "never been worse."

He then added pointedly, that just changed "about four hours ago."

It certainly did. With his remarks in Helsinki and at the NATO summit in Brussels, Trump has signaled a historic shift in U.S. foreign policy that may determine the future of this nation and the fate of his presidency.

He has rejected the fundamental premises of American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War and blamed our wretched relations with Russia, not on Vladimir Putin, but squarely on the U.S. establishment.

In a tweet prior to the meeting, Trump indicted the elites of both parties: "Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!"

Trump thereby repudiated the records and agendas of the neocons and their liberal interventionist allies, as well as the archipelago of War Party think tanks beavering away inside the Beltway.

Looking back over the week, from Brussels to Britain to Helsinki, Trump's message has been clear, consistent and startling.

European allies have freeloaded off U.S. defense while rolling up huge trade surpluses at our expense. Those days are over. Europeans are going to stop stealing our markets and start paying for their own defense.

And there will be no Cold War II.

We are not going to let Putin's annexation of Crimea or aid to pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine prevent us from working on a rapprochement and a partnership with him, Trump is saying. We are going to negotiate arms treaties and talk out our differences as Ronald Reagan did with Mikhail Gorbachev.

Helsinki showed that Trump meant what he said when he declared repeatedly, "Peace with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing."

On Syria, Trump indicated that he and Putin are working with Bibi Netanyahu, who wants all Iranian forces and Iran-backed militias kept far from the Golan Heights. As for U.S. troops in Syria, says Trump, they will be coming out after ISIS is crushed, and we are 98 percent there.

That is another underlying message here: America is coming home from foreign wars and will be shedding foreign commitments.

Both before and after the Trump-Putin meeting, the cable news coverage was as hostile and hateful toward the president as any this writer has ever seen. The media may not be the "enemy of the people" Trump says they are, but many are implacable enemies of this president.

Some wanted Trump to emulate Nikita Khrushchev, who blew up the Paris summit in May 1960 over a failed U.S. intelligence operation — the U-2 spy plane shot down over the Urals just weeks earlier.

Khrushchev had demanded that Ike apologize. Ike refused, and Khrushchev exploded. Some media seemed to be hoping for just such a confrontation.

When Trump spoke of the "foolishness and stupidity" of the U.S. foreign policy establishment that contributed to this era of animosity in U.S.-Russia relations, what might he have had in mind?

Was it the U.S. provocatively moving NATO into Russia's front yard after the collapse of the USSR?

Was it the U.S. invasion of Iraq to strip Saddam Hussein of weapons of mass destruction he did not have that plunged us into endless wars of the Middle East?

Was it U.S. support of Syrian rebels determined to oust Bashar Assad, leading to ISIS intervention and a seven-year civil war with half a million dead, a war which Putin eventually entered to save his Syrian ally?

Was it George W. Bush's abrogation of Richard Nixon's ABM treaty and drive for a missile defense that caused Putin to break out of the Reagan INF treaty and start deploying cruise missiles to counter it?

Was it U.S. complicity in the Kiev coup that ousted the elected pro-Russian regime that caused Putin to seize Crimea to hold onto Russia's Black Sea naval base at Sevastopol?

Many Putin actions we condemn were reactions to what we did.

Russia annexed Crimea bloodlessly. But did not the U.S. bomb Serbia for 78 days to force Belgrade to surrender her cradle province of Kosovo?

How was that more moral than what Putin did in Crimea?

If Russian military intelligence hacked into the emails of the DNC, exposing how they stuck it to Bernie Sanders, Trump says he did not collude in it. Is there, after two years, any proof that he did?

Trump insists Russian meddling had no effect on the outcome in 2016 and he is not going to allow media obsession with Russiagate to interfere with establishing better relations.

Former CIA Director John Brennan rages that, "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki . . . was . . . treasonous. . . . He is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???"

Well, as Patrick Henry said long ago, "If this be treason, make the most of it!"
 
yes. and not just liberal (or Democrats really). Plenty of Republicans as well.

Putin might not be so bad if we hadn't fomented revolution in Ukraine under Obama.
Or lied about NATO expansion post German reunification. etc.

"Putin might not be so bad..." You mean that dictator who has journalist murdered along with political opponents? That Putin?
 
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