Pagan Roots? 5 Surprising Facts About Christmas

Rana said:
Christianity was Paul's invention and it want even the one adopted at Nicea.
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/grins.....I'm curious.....what is it you believe was adopted at Nicea that differs from what Paul wrote......or, as I suspect, is it that you haven't got a clue what happened at Nicea.......
 
Rana said:
Nope, you education is about 30 years behind.
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lol.....and yet, exceptionally superior to your own....do you have something you could link to that shows that a majority of scholars do NOT think John wrote the gospel of John?.....perhaps ANYTHING not from an atheist?.......
 
DamnYankee said:
Sure. That's why you fail to refute them.
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You are indeed the moron, aren't you stormfront.

I guess you needed me to tell you that was a depiction of Jesus casting out the moneychangers. Obviously way too dumb to figure it out for yourself and probably have no idea what it means. :0)

You post to me because you need the attention .. and I respond because I can use the laughs while I work.

Tell me more about Jesus and how he loved money and racism :0)

:)

Stupid
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....and yet, exceptionally superior to your own....do you have something you could link to that shows that a majority of scholars do NOT think John wrote the gospel of John?.....perhaps ANYTHING not from an atheist?.......
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the accepted theory is that Jesus's gay lover "John the beloved" wrote John.
 
uscitizen too said:
Why you here then?
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Big fat American has gun to my head.
The point I was trying (and failing) to make that to use the internet for 'proof' or even incontovertable evidence is not the wisest thing to do. Much better to rely on things like a lifetime's education, books which have had (in the most part - depending on the author) to be researched.
Much of what is on the internet is good but it is much harder to sort the wheat from the chaff when there is so much anonymity.
I don't need the internet to tell me the sun is shining and these idiots who seem to be trying out something new by their chanting of 'cite' are just that - idiots.
I seldom use the internet to check anything which probably explains why I am often wrong. But dont tell 'them' that.
 
but everything on the internet is true isn't it?
I read that somewhwere on the internet.

So sorry about Dixie holding gun to head.
 
Lowaicue said:
Man speak with riddles. Me not name Dude. Me not know pbs. Me have education to teach. No read internet written by apprentice chemists and retired idiots.
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lol.....the Public Broadcasting System is now retired idiots and apprentice chemists......I guess that leaves expatriate brits to be the dustbin collectors......
 
blackascoal said:
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You are indeed the moron, aren't you stormfront.

I guess you needed me to tell you that was a depiction of Jesus casting out the moneychangers. Obviously way too dumb to figure it out for yourself and probably have no idea what it means. :0)

You post to me because you need the attention .. and I respond because I can use the laughs while I work.

Tell me more about Jesus and how he loved money and racism :0)

:)

Stupid
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Still no refutation on the parable of the talents? Fail again.

Your new signature (Stupid) suits you.
 
DamnYankee said:
Still no refutation on the parable of the talents? Fail again.

Your new signature (Stupid) suits you.
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Fly away you ignorant zithead motherfucker. :0)

"Jesus was a capitalist" is a glaring demonstration of your lack of education and plain common sense.

The unremarkable life of an uneducated bitch .. that's your life story.

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This isn't a conversation assclown. This is me putting the intellectual boot up your ass.
 
blackascoal said:
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Fly away you ignorant zithead motherfucker. :0)

"Jesus was a capitalist" is a glaring demonstration of your lack of education and plain common sense.

The unremarkable life of an uneducated bitch .. that's your life story.

:0)

This isn't a conversation assclown. This is me putting the intellectual boot up your ass.
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Still no refutation on the parable of the talents? Fail again.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry to disagree with you, but the majority of authorities agree that the gospel of John was written by John as well as agreeing that the gospels ARE supporting documents written by men contemporaneous with Christ.......a handful of atheist detractors notwithstanding.....
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If you go to a school of divinity they will date the Gospel of John at around 120 CE. Not only that but there is almost no argument that the Gospel of John was originally written in Greek which also points to a later than contemporaneous writing. I would love to see ANY proof you have that John was written before the 60's which is where to oldest version of Mark and Matthew date from. There are absolutely NO Gospels found in Aramaic which would strengthen any claim of contemporaneous writing.

The New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible: Volume 3 Abingdon Press, 2008. p. 362 "Presently, few commentators would argue that a disciple of Jesus actually wrote the Fourth Gospel,..."

"Although ancient traditions attributed to the Apostle John the Fourth Gospel, the Book of Revelation, and the three Epistles of John, modern scholars believe that he wrote none of them." Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible (Palo Alto: Mayfield, 1985) p. 355

Marilyn Mellowes The Gospel of John From Jesus to Christ: A Portrait of Jesus' World. PBS 2010-11-3. "Tradition has credited John, the son of Zebedee and an apostle of Jesus, with the authorship of the fourth gospel. Most scholars dispute this notion;..."

However, there are two notable exceptions:

Blomberg, Craig (2009-08-01). "The Gospel of John". Jesus and the Gospels (2nd ed.). Nashville: B & H Publishing Group. pp. 197–198. ISBN 0805444823. "All this adds up to strong circumstantial evidence for equating the beloved disciple with the apostle John."


Carson, D A (1991). "The Authorship of the Fourth Gospel". The Gospel According to John. Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company. pp. 68–69. ISBN 0802836836. "[Denying Johannine Authorship] Also requires their virtual dismissal of the external evidence. This is particularly regrettable. Most scholars of antiquity, were they assessing the authorship of some other document, could not so easily set aside the evidence as plentiful, consistent and plainly tied to the sources as is the external evidence that supports Johannine authorship."

I believe you will have difficulty finding many more that agree that John was THE author.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the problem with that is, by your statements, its obvious you haven't had a lifetimes education......since your statements are in contradiction with what can easily be found to be true.....
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Go back to shouting at buses. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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