Pakistan: 1-yr-old, five others slaughtered in 'honor killing'

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In what police are describing as a so-called "honor killing," a family of six, to include a 1-year-old baby, were murdered in their two-room hovel in the poverty stricken Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province of Pakistan, as reported by The Express Tribune (of Pakistan), on Dec. 26, 2012.

According to police Station House Officer Qazi Asmat, two teenaged sisters, identified only as Shamia and Khalida, told police in the town of Yar Hussain that three armed men snuck into the house during the dead of night, opened fired and killed their parents, three sisters and their one-year-old niece.

The surviving sisters accused three brother-in-laws of the crime.

Officer Asmat said that:

"Initial investigation revealed that the women Naseem Bibi, her one-year-old daughter Raina, Anjuman Bibi and Naqraz Bibi had separated from their husbands and were living with their parents."

The police official also stated:

"The family was living in a two-room house with no boundary wall or gate.

The girls who remained unharmed were in another room."

As cited by the Middle East Forum, the United Nations states there are upwards of 5,000 women are murdered every year in the name of so-called "honor killing."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pakistan-1-yr-old-five-others-slaughtered-honor-killing

Go ahead, Christie - groan me for telling the truth about Islam.
 
Melos said:
In what police are describing as a so-called "honor killing," a family of six, to include a 1-year-old baby, were murdered in their two-room hovel in the poverty stricken Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province of Pakistan, as reported by The Express Tribune (of Pakistan), on Dec. 26, 2012.

According to police Station House Officer Qazi Asmat, two teenaged sisters, identified only as Shamia and Khalida, told police in the town of Yar Hussain that three armed men snuck into the house during the dead of night, opened fired and killed their parents, three sisters and their one-year-old niece.

The surviving sisters accused three brother-in-laws of the crime.

Officer Asmat said that:

"Initial investigation revealed that the women Naseem Bibi, her one-year-old daughter Raina, Anjuman Bibi and Naqraz Bibi had separated from their husbands and were living with their parents."

The police official also stated:

"The family was living in a two-room house with no boundary wall or gate.

The girls who remained unharmed were in another room."

As cited by the Middle East Forum, the United Nations states there are upwards of 5,000 women are murdered every year in the name of so-called "honor killing."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pakistan-1-yr-old-five-others-slaughtered-honor-killing

Go ahead, Christie - groan me for telling the truth about Islam.
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The truth about what?

That there are crazy people practicing every religion across the globe?

Two words:

Andrea Yates
 
What a hypocrite. Does voltaire ever read an American newspaper, or just trawl foreign sites to find evidence for his bigoted viewpoints? Like abuse doesn't happen here, and by so-called religious people, too.

"Douglas and Kristen Barbour began their journey as parents of two adopted children from Ethiopia with the best of intentions.

The devout Christians from the North Hills endured months of screening, criminal background checks, the permission of the children's birth families and the bureaucratic vagaries of the foreign adoption process before they were allowed to bring them to America...

...Fast forward seven months. The happy arrival at the airport has long since been eclipsed by an unspeakably dark chapter in the lives of those children. Douglas and Kristen Barbour have been arrested and charged with child endangerment and assault."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...-is-a-troubling-mystery-658718/#ixzz2Hbfryehd

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – A man accused of abusing his twin infant daughters waived his preliminary hearing on Thursday. Doctors said the 4-month-old girls suffered serious abuse and one of them may have permanent brain damage. Christopher Kozura, 21, is being held on aggravated assault charges and is accused of violently shaking one of the girls and causing a serious head injury to the other."

http:// http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/12/13/hearing-held-for-lawrence-co-man-accused-of-abusing-twins/
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"An Allegheny County prosecutor said a West Virginia mother showed "an extreme indifference to the value of human life" when she tried to suffocate her infant at a local hospital and several times in her Boone County home last year.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...gedly-smothering-infant-669696/#ixzz2HbewAm00

MINNEAPOLIS -- A Minnesota couple are accused of starving their 8-year-old adopted son, feeding him only liquid and putting an alarm on his door so he would not steal food, according to criminal charges that say the boy was so malnourished his bones protruded and he weighed as much as a child half his age.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...l-hauer-starved-8-year-old-son_n_2081645.html

VANDERGRIFT (KDKA) — A father from Vandergrift is headed to trial, accused in connection with his young daughter’s death. In court on Tuesday, the judge heard from two witnesses, a doctor who described injuries to 2-month-old Sophia Ludwiczak, and a state trooper investigating the case.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/12/04/vandergrift-father-ordered-to-stand-trial-in-babys-death/

NEW CASTLE (KDKA) — A mother is defending her son who is accused in the alleged abuse of his young twin daughters. She says there’s no way he could have done it, but police disagree. When his 4-month-old daughter, Autumn, was rushed to the hospital from a New Castle apartment in August, authorities say Christopher Kozura claimed she had a seizure and then rolled off a bed and fell on the floor. But doctors later told police that the infant’s brain injury was consistent with child abuse.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/30/father-facing-charges-in-alleged-abuse-of-twin-daughters/

MOUNT OLIVER (KDKA) –A man has been arrested for allegedly abusing a baby in Mount Oliver. The boyfriend of the baby’s mom, 32-year-old Jason Henry is charged with child physical abuse. He’s lived with the mom and child on Walter Street for the past three months after the mother met him on Craigslist, according to authorities. The 2-year-old boy, identified as Maddax Kalafas, remains in Children’s Hospital in critical condition, since the incident Thursday night.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/26/charges-to-be-filed-in-mount-oliver-child-abuse-case/






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Thing1 said:
It's a repetitive theme, that's already being addressed on at least 2 threads right now.

This is a terrible crime - I condemn this crime. How is that?
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You 'condemn' it.....? Really ? But you tolerate the religion that endorses it...so its not good enough
Your condemnation is akin to says you don't like peas.....


Is it barbaric ?

Is it a product of their religion ? If not, whats its purpose ?

Is it not only practiced by Muslims/Islamics ?

Is it not primarily a crime against women, so they don't forget their place ?

Isn't toleration, tacit approval ?
 
bravo said:
You 'condemn' it.....? Really ? But you tolerate the religion that endorses it...so its not good enough
Your condemnation is akin to says you don't like peas.....

Is it barbaric ?
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Yes, just as barbaric as American military interference and war in other parts of the world.

Is it a product of their religion ? If not, whats its purpose ?
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Not necessarily. It's a response to American meddling in countries and policies where we aren't entitled to have a presence. General William Boykin described the fight against terrorism as a Christian battle against Satan. I bet you weren't outraged over this.

Is it not only practiced by Muslims/Islamics ?
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No. Period.

Is it not primarily a crime against women, so they don't forget their place ?
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Possibly. Like Steelers rookie Chris Rainey slapping around his girlfriend and getting waived from the team after he was arrested this morning in Gainesville, Fla., and charged with simple battery.
Isn't toleration, tacit approval ?
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Oh please. How is anybody in the US supposed to "not tolerate" a religion in another part of the world? Our presidents have already killed thousands of innocent people in other countries under the guise of freedom and democracy, or some other hogwash. Clean up your own mess before trying to take on the rest of the world.
 
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bravo said:
You 'condemn' it.....? Really ? But you tolerate the religion that endorses it...so its not good enough
Your condemnation is akin to says you don't like peas.....


Is it barbaric ?

Is it a product of their religion ? If not, whats its purpose ?

Is it not only practiced by Muslims/Islamics ?

Is it not primarily a crime against women, so they don't forget their place ?

Isn't toleration, tacit approval ?
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It's a crime, like countless that occur here in the U.S. You'd love it to be something that defines Islam itself - unfortunately for you, it just isn't.

Sorry about that.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The truth about what?

That there are crazy people practicing every religion across the globe?

Two words:

Andrea Yates
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You dare compare 5000+ murders of this kind with one crazy mother.....
Yates had a long history of mental illness starting in 1980....and she did not use religion as an excuse for her murders, committed 20 years later....

Honor killings are not committed by insane people, they are committed by zealots to enslave women...
Honor killings are not the exception to the rule, they are the rule.

That guesstimate of 5000 could easily be 20,000....we have no way of knowing ..... and its happening to different degrees, all over the world where
Muslims have settled...
 
bravo said:
You dare compare 5000+ murders of this kind with one crazy mother.....
Yates had a long history of mental illness starting in 1980....and she did not use religion as an excuse for her murders, committed 20 years later....

Honor killings are not committed by insane people, they are committed by zealots to enslave women...
Honor killings are not the exception to the rule, they are the rule.

That guesstimate of 5000 could easily be 20,000....we have no way of knowing ..... and its happening to different degrees, all over the world where
Muslims have settled...
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Is it an honor killing when a man or woman kills an estranged mate over jealousy of their new relationships?
 
christiefan915 said:
Yes, just as barbaric as American military interference and war in other parts of the world.



Not necessarily. It's a response to American meddling in countries and policies where we aren't entitled to have a presence. General William Boykin described the fight against terrorism as a Christian battle against Satan. I bet you weren't outraged over this.



No. Period.



Possibly. Like Steelers rookie Chris Rainey slapping around his girlfriend and getting waived from the team after he was arrested this morning in Gainesville, Fla., and charged with simple battery.






Oh please. How is anybody in the US supposed to "not tolerate" a religion in another part of the world? Our presidents have already killed thousands of innocent people in other countries under the guise of freedom and democracy, or some other hogwash. Clean up your own mess before trying to take on the rest of the world.
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I agree, war is killing, and can be barbaric....but you don't see the distinction....
honor killings of women are the same as a war to you.....?.....just so I understand .

And you see honor killing as "a response to American meddling in countries and policies where we aren't entitled to have a presence"?
....Thats a novel take on it, I'll say that. Honor killing must be fairly new then....

"the fight against terrorism as a Christian battle against Satan. I bet you weren't outraged over this"
...One man's opinion doesn't outrage me, no...If this were a state sanctioned
opinion, or an opinion held by millions, I would have some outrage.

Tell me....in the year 2013, who else practices honor killing.....maybe some cannibals in Africa...? I wasn't aware it was so widespread.....( We were talking about the Middle East)

Do you also tolerate genocide practiced in other parts of the world......maybe we should not have interfered in Bosnia......
You can tolerate child sex slaves in Thailand but would in Chicago, I guess....

"Our presidents have already killed thousands of innocent people in other countries under the guise of freedom and democracy, or some other hogwash.".....Christiefan

You deserve to be recognized for that line....so no one else steals it...


And you don't agree that "toleration" is tacit approval of something.....?....Am I wrong in believing that?
 
"Poverty stricken" is probably the most telling characteristic from the article in the OP, though the underlying reasons for actions like this are anybody's guess. People who do this are just as insane as some of the criminals we see here & pretty much everywhere, unfortunately.
 
Rana said:
South America, I am not sure about currently, but in the past authorities would often look the other way when this happened.
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People get prosecuted for it here and they don't call it honor killing but I think it's the same. The killer has excuses like "you made a fool out of me" or "you brought disgrace on me" or this gem, "if I can't have you, nobody else can either." It's all about their image and nothing about problems in the relationship that both may have contributed to.
 
Rana said:
The only countries where honor killings are "legal", Syria and Haiti.
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Haiti, really? You mean a "catholic" country sanctions honor killings? I found this about Brazil, too.

"...according to human rights lawyer Julie Mertus "in Brazil, until 1991 wife killings were considered to be noncriminal 'honor killings'; in just one year, nearly eight hundred husbands killed their wives. Similarly, in Colombia, until 1980, a husband legally could kill his wife for committing adultery."[SUP][76][/SUP] It is also for women or men that refuse to marry their wife or husband."
 
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