Palin? ...Let's talk about Biden!!!

Onceler said:
You supported the killing of 10's of thousands of innocents.

Don't lecture anyone about moral values.
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and you all are supporting it TODAY..so don't give others lectures on the killing of others, because your words are hollow to me..
 
meme said:
and you all are supporting it TODAY..so don't give others lectures on the killing of others, because your words are hollow to me..
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It's worse what he is supporting... Bush at least stated the principles and objectives of what was being done, there was at least a reason for the sacrifice. With Obama, there is no principle or reason, he just lets people continue to die, without a plan or goal, no exit strategy... hell, not even a regular strategy!

Which is worse? Letting thousands die because you are fighting for a principle of freedom, or letting thousands die because you don't want to make an unpopular political move?
 
meme said:
and you all are supporting it TODAY..so don't give others lectures on the killing of others, because your words are hollow to me..
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Who says I support it today? I'm not like you. I don't agree with everything the guy I voted for does, right or wrong.

I was never for "immediate withdrawal" - once we were in there, I felt we had an obligation to fix things before leaving, at least to a certain threshold. By now, however, we should be out of there, and I have no problem criticizing Obama for that.

YOU, however, supported the initial invasion of Iraq, which was a careless & unneccesary decision. You couldn't have been more wrong, and the toll at this point is incomrprehensible. I understand how having that much blood on your hands might be difficult to deal with, so you deflect & distract and try to project your blind allegiance onto others, but it is what it is.
 
Dixie said:
It's worse what he is supporting... Bush at least stated the principles and objectives of what was being done, there was at least a reason for the sacrifice. With Obama, there is no principle or reason, he just lets people continue to die, without a plan or goal, no exit strategy... hell, not even a regular strategy!

Which is worse? Letting thousands die because you are fighting for a principle of freedom, or letting thousands die because you don't want to make an unpopular political move?
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Give me a fuckin' break. Bush told a ghostwriter in 1998 that he didn't think a President could achieve "greatness" without a war.

Some principles.
 
meme said:
and you all are supporting it TODAY..so don't give others lectures on the killing of others, because your words are hollow to me..
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I don't know a single lefty on this board who supported your foolish and immoral war on Iraq. I voted for Obama in the primary because he was against your war on Iraq, otherwise I may well have voted for H. Clinton.

You on the other hand put on your cheerleader skirt:cheer: and willingly and enthusiastically cheered for the deaths of hundreds of thousand of iraqis and american solider in a war we didn't have to fight, against a nation that was no significant threat to us.

Why? Apparently because you love war and you are bloodthirsty.

Oncelear is right, don't you fucking dare lecture anyone on morality.
 
Onceler said:
Who says I support it today? I'm not like you. I don't agree with everything the guy I voted for does, right or wrong.
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Yes you do, mutherfucker! If you are going to tie everything Bush did to his supporters, regardless of what they vocally spoke out against during his presidency, then everything Obama does is going to be tied directly to you as well, we don't do the fucking double standards anymore.

I was never for "immediate withdrawal" - once we were in there, I felt we had an obligation to fix things before leaving, at least to a certain threshold. By now, however, we should be out of there, and I have no problem criticizing Obama for that.
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Yes you do! I see not ONE single thread on this board by you, criticizing Obama for ANYTHING! If you really didn't favor immediate withdrawal, then you supported the death of thousands just like me! Just how the fuck you become so convoluted in your viewpoint, I will never know, but you are a walking talking contradiction!

YOU, however, supported the initial invasion of Iraq, which was a careless & unneccesary decision. You couldn't have been more wrong, and the toll at this point is incomrprehensible. I understand how having that much blood on your hands might be difficult to deal with, so you deflect & distract and try to project your blind allegiance onto others, but it is what it is.
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And your Democrat representatives in Congress also supported initial invasion, they voted to authorize military force, and you eagerly re-elected them... supported one of them for president! The wars are still going on, the current president is frozen in indecision, not wanting to make an unpopular political move, and innocent people continue to die as a result. This stopped being Bush's fault on Jan. 20th!
 
Onceler said:
Who says I support it today? I'm not like you. I don't agree with everything the guy I voted for does, right or wrong.

I was never for "immediate withdrawal" - once we were in there, I felt we had an obligation to fix things before leaving, at least to a certain threshold. By now, however, we should be out of there, and I have no problem criticizing Obama for that.

YOU, however, supported the initial invasion of Iraq, which was a careless & unneccesary decision. You couldn't have been more wrong, and the toll at this point is incomrprehensible. I understand how having that much blood on your hands might be difficult to deal with, so you deflect & distract and try to project your blind allegiance onto others, but it is what it is.
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lol, I'm not going into about Iraq and Bush and blood and blaa blaa in this thread...we were discussing Biden, Clinton and Palin..you should start another thread for your spew..
 
Onceler said:
Give me a fuckin' break. Bush told a ghostwriter in 1998 that he didn't think a President could achieve "greatness" without a war.

Some principles.
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Actually Clinton said something similar after his Presidency and its pretty much true.
 
Dixie, you're such a bad liar; Obama didn't support invasion.

At least you've progressed to "the Dems were equally responsible for this fiasco!" It's no longer "the greatest military achievement of our generation!"

That's progress in Dixieland...
 
DIXIE: "...you supported the death of thousands just like me!"
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No Dixie, but thanks for admitting you cheered for the unneccessary death of hundreds of thousands. But it's frankly embarrassing to see you groveling on your knees, begging leftys to share credit with you on your invasion of iraq.

No lefty on this board wanted your war. No lefty on this board wanted to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, like you did, in a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 and wasn't any kind of mortal threat to the united states.

Obama was elected, in large measure, by democrats because he opposed your invasion. Period.

And in case you forgot, democrats actually defeated the most prominent war monger in our party. We gave the Dem nomination to Ned Lamont and told lieberman to pack it up. Joe-mentum got elected in connecticut on the backs of republican votes.
 
Onceler said:
Dixie, you're such a bad liar; Obama didn't support invasion.

At least you've progressed to "the Dems were equally responsible for this fiasco!" It's no longer "the greatest military achievement of our generation!"

That's progress in Dixieland...
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Obama couldn't support invasion, he wasn't a member of Congress then! IF he had been, there is no doubt he would have lined up behind your democrat leaders and voted to authorize force. How do I know this? Because a vast majority of the country supported invasion, which is why a majority of Congress voted to authorize it, and Obama always goes with what is popular over what is principled. Precisely the same reason he will not withdraw from the wars now, and people continue to die.

John Kerry authorized the use of force, Joe Biden authorized the use of force, Hillary Clinton authorized the use of force... hell, it was Bill Clinton who signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law and made it part of US foreign policy! ....but that's all okay in your convoluted double-standard world! You'll make excuses for why they supported the war, the blood isn't on their hands! Just as you do now, while thousands of soldiers continue being deployed, continue to die, continue to kill innocents... it's all still going on, only now, there is no objective, no reason, no stated goals or exit strategy.
 
Dixie said:
Obama couldn't support invasion, he wasn't a member of Congress then! IF he had been, there is no doubt he would have lined up behind your democrat leaders and voted to authorize force. How do I know this? Because a vast majority of the country supported invasion, which is why a majority of Congress voted to authorize it, and Obama always goes with what is popular over what is principled. Precisely the same reason he will not withdraw from the wars now, and people continue to die.

John Kerry authorized the use of force, Joe Biden authorized the use of force, Hillary Clinton authorized the use of force... hell, it was Bill Clinton who signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law and made it part of US foreign policy! ....but that's all okay in your convoluted double-standard world! You'll make excuses for why they supported the war, the blood isn't on their hands! Just as you do now, while thousands of soldiers continue being deployed, continue to die, continue to kill innocents... it's all still going on, only now, there is no objective, no reason, no stated goals or exit strategy.
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Right on the money!
 
Dixie said:
It's worse what he is supporting... Bush at least stated the principles and objectives of what was being done, there was at least a reason for the sacrifice. With Obama, there is no principle or reason, he just lets people continue to die, without a plan or goal, no exit strategy... hell, not even a regular strategy!

Which is worse? Letting thousands die because you are fighting for a principle of freedom, or letting thousands die because you don't want to make an unpopular political move?
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Bush did not "let" thousands die. He knew thousands might. The difference is important.
 
Dixie said:
Obama couldn't support invasion, he wasn't a member of Congress then! IF he had been, there is no doubt he would have lined up behind your democrat leaders and voted to authorize force. How do I know this? Because a vast majority of the country supported invasion, which is why a majority of Congress voted to authorize it, and Obama always goes with what is popular over what is principled. Precisely the same reason he will not withdraw from the wars now, and people continue to die.

John Kerry authorized the use of force, Joe Biden authorized the use of force, Hillary Clinton authorized the use of force... hell, it was Bill Clinton who signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law and made it part of US foreign policy! ....but that's all okay in your convoluted double-standard world! You'll make excuses for why they supported the war, the blood isn't on their hands! Just as you do now, while thousands of soldiers continue being deployed, continue to die, continue to kill innocents... it's all still going on, only now, there is no objective, no reason, no stated goals or exit strategy.
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Pathetic.

Obama spoke out strongly against both the resolution, and the invasion; and you can say that was easy for him politically, because he was not in Congress, but I imagine he knew he was going to run for President, and his words could have been used against him IF this thing turned out to be the right decision, which it clearly did not (and it's good to see you finally admit that).

What is it with you idiots and accountability? I've never seen such weasels. If this thing WAS a success, you'd be screaming about how this was Bush & the GOP alone, fighting to do the right thing against fierce opposition from the Dems. The fact that you are trying to spread the "credit" around speaks volumes.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Bush did not "let" thousands die. He knew thousands might. The difference is important.
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Equally pathetic. You guys have no idea what "accountability" is.

Everyone knew the risks of going to war. That's why you avoid war whenever possible; that's why - if you're a good LEADER - you look for any reason you can NOT to go to war, instead of trying to FIND reasons to go to war. War is a Pandora's box, and should never be undertaken lightly, or when there are other options on the table.
 
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