Papal front runners. If the Black guy becomes the next pope, white Republicans will scream DEI till their buttholes explode

[christiefan915]

Baptism is a sign of choosing to follow Christ. Infants can't choose to follow Christ.

Why shouldn't innocent infants be part of the kingdom of God? You don't know your church history.

"As the church conquered the pagan world we see infant baptism as arising as a universal practice. In part this appears to be based upon the fact that even in the ancient church there was the concept that baptism was the initiation rite into the community of faith, and infants are born into that community so are baptized. A second factor appears to have been the rise of the understanding of original sin and the belief that baptism washed away the stain of original sin. Third, the ordinances very early were understood as actually conveying grace and accomplishing something spiritually. As early as A.D. 400 Augustine appeals to the universal practice of infant baptism as proof that the church saw infants born with the stain of original sin. We find explicit mention of infant baptism as early as Tertullian around A.D. 220. Tertullian mentions the practice in conjunction with sponsors who would aid in the child’s spiritual training. I would assume that this is the origin of the practice of godparents."

https://bible.org/question/what-are-historical-origins-infant-baptism

 

[TOP]

I Did not specify the Catholic church... And back to tradition is always better for any religion or anythng For that matter.... And I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of modernizing traditions, but I'm not surprised....Who's Episcopalian?

 

[Yakuda]

Oh look, more uninformed opinion pretending to be a statement of truth.

Look at me agreeing with the owl dame

 

[Cypress]

You're such a liar. This thread is about the Pope and the Catholic church. You said "the church," not "all churches." Furthermore, your statement is contradictory.

First you said you look forward to "modernized traditions." Then you said change is for the better if churches go back to what was traditional.

You're trying to appear relevant but you can't pull it off.

Seems like a case of multiple personality disorder to issue a slew of contradictory comments.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

You're such a liar. This thread is about the Pope and the Catholic church. You said "the church," not "all churches." Furthermore, your statement is contradictory.

First you said you look forward to "modernized traditions." Then you said change is for the better if churches go back to what was traditional.

You're trying to appear relevant but you can't pull it off.

Well said. Her drivel is just a rehash of the ugly, nasty, pompous stuff she said about Bishop Budde a few months ago. She doesn't know squat about religion, Christ, the Bible (other than searching for virtue-signaling quotes), the RC church, or any other faiths. It's just the usual attention whoring. As you said, a failed attempt to make the thread Saul A. Bouther.

 

[TOP]

I love the Traditions that come along with baptism...

 

[TOP]

It looks like the thread has become very personal as a matter of fact..as always...

 

[BartenderElite]

The baptism of babies= Wrong.
Calling the pope and Priest father= wrong
Praying to "saints" and Mary= Totally wrong.
Believing that you need a priest to act as a go between that can help absolve you of your sins= laughably wrong.

I could go on and on all day actually.

There are many different denominations and interpretations of Christianity, and what it means to be a Christian.

You can go on & on - but you're judging based on your own bias.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Why shouldn't innocent infants be part of the kingdom of God? You don't know your church history.

"As the church conquered the pagan world we see infant baptism as arising as a universal practice. In part this appears to be based upon the fact that even in the ancient church there was the concept that baptism was the initiation rite into the community of faith, and infants are born into that community so are baptized. A second factor appears to have been the rise of the understanding of original sin and the belief that baptism washed away the stain of original sin. Third, the ordinances very early were understood as actually conveying grace and accomplishing something spiritually. As early as A.D. 400 Augustine appeals to the universal practice of infant baptism as proof that the church saw infants born with the stain of original sin. We find explicit mention of infant baptism as early as Tertullian around A.D. 220. Tertullian mentions the practice in conjunction with sponsors who would aid in the child’s spiritual training. I would assume that this is the origin of the practice of godparents."

https://bible.org/question/what-are-historical-origins-infant-baptism

Excellent, thanks. I have no source for this, but I recall being told that another reason to baptize infants was due to the high degree of infant mortality. The faithful wanted their children to enter into Heaven if they were to die. The belief was that an unbaptized child's soul would end up in purgatory or even Hell if not given to Jesus via baptism.

 

[FastLane]

Thanks for admitting you use the scripture that was originally first defined as canonical by the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic church.

So thanks for admitting you have pathetic reading comprehension.

 

[BartenderElite]

You spend all you time here posting insulting memes and words at others in a most unChrist-like manner. Yet are poutraged over a meme. Okay then, Cletus.

BTW my mother was a Sunday School teacher and devout Christian. We kids spent literally YEARS in Sunday School, Vacation Bible School, Confirmation classes, and church. I've read the Bible front to back (except I skipped that whole so-and-so begat so-and-so bit lol) several times -- RSV and the King James. We had to memorize large passages. Your words here indicate that your ideas about Jesus and Christianity were fed to you by flawed humans. Try reading your Bible again, this time with your heart. You'll be amazed when your eyes finally open.

The bolded is spot on.

 

[BartenderElite]

It is quite amusing when uneducated, lying leftist atheists presume to lecture people on the Gospel.

What does the Gospel say about someone spending their day on a message board constantly spewing insults, vitriol and hatred?

 

[Cypress]

Said who? The left? The left doesn't believe in him , they say he is a fable.

I spend as much time telling right-wing atheists as lefty atheists that Jesus is the best attested Palestinian of antiquity, and the historical record verifying his existence is beyond question for any reputable scholar of antiquity.

 

[Nordberg]

How about a female pope?

 

[FastLane]

Sort of. I am saying that much of Catholic teachings go directly against the Bible. This cannot be disputed.

Christians are people that believe in Christ and want to follow him. Most Catholics are both of those things. They are just being misled on a lot of things.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's possible we'll get one more like John Paul II.

Is that good or bad in your opinion?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The bolded is spot on.

Thanks. If his mission to to bring others to Christ, he needs to rethink how to do that because that sure isn't working. Mostly it seems to me his mission is to bleat about how special and heaven-bound HE is, while everyone else who doesn't follow the same faith is headed in the other direction. IOW, he's weaponizing his version of Christianity like so many others do.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Christians are people that believe in Christ and want to follow him. Most Catholics are both of those things. They are just being misled on a lot of things.

Like MAGAts are being misled by a mammon-worshiping, oath-breaking, adulterous pedophile?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Umm....the inquistion.....the crusades...lol MY religion doesnt teach hate of other religions...but the catholic church sure has in the past

Yet you hate and spread hate daily. Are you admitting you don't follow your own religion?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

LOL

Growing up Catholic, the Bible was a minimal part of our culture.
The short Gospel passages read in Mass were pretty much all that we knew of it.

Even Catholic children were not taught the Bible in religion class.
They were taught the Catechism instead.

Catholicism, at least how we were taught, was more about what one did than what one believed.