Paul Sancya / AP 10 hours Raise the Minimum Wage? Foes Say They'll Stop Tipping???

[DigitalDave]

That would be my thought why we tip as well. If we change the structure so that servers make the same amount of money but it is in the form of all salary instead low wage and tips does that make diners selfish and greedy for not tipping as Zappa suggested?

I guess that depends. If they make $15 an hour here in Ohio, I don't think people would tip very often. If they raise it to a regular mimimum wage, then I would think the tip amounts would decrease but not altogether dissapear. I honestly think my wife would make less in that structure. Not only that, but her hours would get cut back because they would be stingier on having the server staff come in during certain hours. They'd try to force the staff to take on more tables as well. You'd be shifting the cost from the consumer to the business.

 

[cawacko]

By not tipping, the greedy are punishing hard working people who had nothing to do with the raising of the minimum wage that's got them so upset.

They interviewed people who would be making the same amount as the servers who we'll assume are just as hard working themselves. So the cost of their food will probably increase to pay these higher salaries and they having to tip on top of that could make it not affordable for these lower income hard working folks to go out to dinner. But that makes them greedy?

 

[NOVA]

lol... well my wife refrains from those types of shenanigans, but she isn't opposed if someone else does it at another establishment that happens to see the 'Wall of Shame'. There are servers/cooks willing to go that far, and it isn't just her place of business that sees that wall. If you get on there, don't count on getting good service anywhere.

My wife and I eat out twice a day, everyday, and have since we retired....I know a lot waitresses, waiters, and bartenders, both male and female....
Many making in the 40,000 to 50,000+ dollar range....but no real benefits.....I hear a lot of them say they love the flexible hours, especially the single girls with
kids, and the social atmosphere of the workplace.....but don't get the idea its not hard work because it certainly is, and its far from secure
....and as in every workplace, sometimes you get a real asshole for a boss....I've even confronted one recently and he actually apologized, to a waiter, in this case...
I told another owner, we can get good food anywhere, we come to your bar because we like the people working here, your servers and bar keeps are
friendly, honest and know their jobs.......kinda hurt his feelings.....

 

[zappasguitar]

Where exactly are you getting this idea, besides from the right winged pundits? Who exactly on the left is saying that burger flippers should earn the same as a brain surgeon?

I support a wage for workers that brings them out of poverty and off food stamps. Aren't you as a tax payer tired of subsidizing business?

It's just one more nonsensical falsehood that gullible Righties lap up and pass on to the next gullible Rightie.

It's like the claim you read here all the time that because Liberals want to extend unemployment benefits, it proves Liberals want the Government to take care of everyone every minute of the day from cradle to grave.

Of course that's complete bullshit, but Righties repeat it like it's set-in-stone fact.

 

[Nom De Guerre]

Also, too, Mr. Pink was a dick.

 

[zappasguitar]

They interviewed people who would be making the same amount as the servers who we'll assume are just as hard working themselves. So the cost of their food will probably increase to pay these higher salaries and they having to tip on top of that could make it not affordable for these lower income hard working folks to go out to dinner. But that makes them greedy?

Yes, it does.

If they can't afford to properly tip their servers then they should just stay home.

 

[cawacko]

Yes, it does.

If they can't afford to properly tip their servers then they should just stay home.

So this goes back to why we tip in the first place when other countries don't. Do we tip because they make a low wage? Or is it for another reason?

 

[maineman]

Because eating out in a restaurant is, for most people, something more enjoyable on so many different levels than merely a "refueling stop". How's the decor, lighting, noise level, and general ambience of the room? Is the background music helping set the mood? How are the cocktails? Is the menu interesting? Are there some intriguing specials? How's the wine list? Does the food come out late, early, or right when you want it to? Taste good? Desserts? Taste good? Did your server hover over you, or was he or she nowhere to be seen when you needed something, or did they always seem to be near when you needed them but respectfully distant when you did not?

My wife and I dine out at restaurants maybe twice a week. We're unabashed "foodies" and really enjoy the entire event. A good waiter or waitress can really bring all of those elements together in glorious harmony, and a bad one can fill a night that had great promise and potential with frustration and annoyance.

My wife spent a decade of her working life as a waitress, so we ALWAYS leave a tip... And we always will...but when the server helps bring a lot of good ingredients together at the table so that the finished product is greater than the sum of its parts, we leave a very generous tip. AND.... we find that,by doing so, we help ensure that we get equally fabulous service the next - and every - time we return.

 

[NOVA]

I think you'd be hard pressed to quote anyone on these forums claiming that a burger flipper should be paid the same as a brain surgeon.

Well, ya gotta close that income gap ya know....income inequality has gotta go.....lol....now watch them all whine, "but thats not what we meant".....

Next thing ya know, these berger flippers will be expected to pay an income tax....


That terrible income gap between the brain surgeon and french fry engineer has gotta be narrowed.....for fairness....

Maybe the tax burden between citizens ought be narrowed too.....

No....what you mean is higher taxes and more welfare. Tipping will not be affected, business will be affected, then jobs will be affected and it will start all over again.

 

[cawacko]

Because eating out in a restaurant is, for most people, something more enjoyable on so many different levels than merely a "refueling stop". How's the decor, lighting, noise level, and general ambience of the room? Is the background music helping set the mood? How are the cocktails? Is the menu interesting? Are there some intriguing specials? How's the wine list? Does the food come out late, early, or right when you want it to? Taste good? Desserts? Taste good? Did your server hover over you, or was he or she nowhere to be seen when you needed something, or did they always seem to be near when you needed them but respectfully distant when you did not?

My wife and I dine out at restaurants maybe twice a week. We're unabashed "foodies" and really enjoy the entire event. A good waiter or waitress can really bring all of those elements together in glorious harmony, and a bad one can fill a night that had great promise and potential with frustration and annoyance.

My wife spent a decade of her working life as a waitress, so we ALWAYS leave a tip... And we always will...but when the server helps bring a lot of good ingredients together at the table so that the finished product is greater than the sum of its parts, we leave a very generous tip. AND.... we find that,by doing so, we help ensure that we get equally fabulous service the next - and every - time we return.

Why do other countries, where people value their dining experience as much if not more than Americans, not tip?

 

[zappasguitar]

Well, ya gotta close that income gap ya know....income inequality has gotta go.....lol....now watch them all whine, "but thats not what we meant".....

Next thing ya know, these berger flippers will be expected to pay an income tax....


That terrible income gap between the brain surgeon and french fry engineer has gotta be narrowed.....for fairness....

Maybe the tax burden between citizens ought be narrowed too.....

No....what you mean is higher taxes and more welfare. Tipping will not be affected, business will be affected, then jobs will be affected and it will start all over again.

So I'm guessing that's a "no", you can't show where anyone has EVER claimed a burger flipper and a brain surgeon should make the same wage.

Thank you for admitting it's just hyperbolic nonsense.

 

[maineman]

Why do other countries, where people value their dining experience as much if not more than Americans, not tip?

In my travels around the world, if I have ever been in a country where tipping is not the norm, I was blissfully unaware and tipped just as I always do.

 

[cawacko]

In my travels around the world, if I have ever been in a country where tipping is not the norm, I was blissfully unaware and tipped just as I always do.

I've done the same and definitely seen some surprised faces. I'm still curious what created this cultural difference.

 

[zappasguitar]

I've done the same and definitely seen some surprised faces. I'm still curious what created this cultural difference.

It's not important where the idea first surfaced.

Here in America it's customary to tip your server.

Those who say they will stop tipping if the minimum wage increases are just demonstrating class envy and a selfish attitude.

 

[cawacko]

It's not important where the idea first surfaced.

Here in America it's customary to tip your server.

Those who say they will stop tipping if the minimum wage increases are just demonstrating class envy and a selfish attitude.

Where it first surfaced isn't important. Why it surfaced in America I think is a legitimate question. What was the genesis for tipping our servers? Was it because their wages were so low? Understanding the history of why we tip helps deal with something like this.

And the people interviewed in the article were lower income people. Many have said those with lower income have class envy and are selfish. Maybe this is just another example of it.

 

[zappasguitar]

Where it first surfaced isn't important. Why it surfaced in America I think is a legitimate question. What was the genesis for tipping our servers? Was it because their wages were so low? Understanding the history of why we tip helps deal with something like this.

And the people interviewed in the article were lower income people. Many have said those with lower income have class envy and are selfish. Maybe this is just another example of it.

“Why would I tip someone making as much as me for doing their job? Nobody tips me for doing mine!”

"I operate heavy machinery and make that... how does a fry cook get that?" said Carole Holfeld. Making $16 an hour at Mega Brands, she doesn't think waiters deserve to make more than she does.

"Why would I tip someone making as much as me for doing their job".

Nothing but naked envy displayed in those comments.

Nothing but sour grapes from jealous people.

 

[cawacko]

“Why would I tip someone making as much as me for doing their job? Nobody tips me for doing mine!”

"I operate heavy machinery and make that... how does a fry cook get that?" said Carole Holfeld. Making $16 an hour at Mega Brands, she doesn't think waiters deserve to make more than she does.

"Why would I tip someone making as much as me for doing their job".

Nothing but naked envy displayed in those comments.

Nothing but sour grapes from jealous people.

Ok, but we still don't know the genesis of tipping in our country and if it originated from low wages. To me that at least helps determine how we got to the situation where it is legally ok to pay servers below minimum wage.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Well, wasn't the idea of tipping being that they made so little an hour and tipping was a way to compensate them? If they are being paid $15/hour why do I then need to tip on top of it? Can you explain?

No. Tipping is meant to show appreciation for high quality and superior service. Just because you make a low wage does not mean I owe you a tip nor does the fact that you make a decent wage necessarily preclude you from a tip when service rendered has been outstanding. I think of it as a bonus or an incentive for superior performance. For example, when I dine out at a nice restaurant I have no problem not leaving a tip if the service sucks. Another example is that a quality hooker costs about $300/hour and I have no problem giving her a tip if she performs well.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

In most places around the country, the minimum wage for a server is far less than the minimum wage for someone else. They expect tips simply because it actually costs them to serve someone if they don't. Taxes are assumed based off of the total sale. This is because many tips come in the form of cash, and it can be hidden income. So it's basically written as law that servers make money through tips, and if you don't they are screwed. I don't necessarily disagree with that, because it helps reward good servers. Like I said, my wife makes more than her counterparts because she busts her butt. She also has the personality that fits right in with the clientele, and they love how she interacts with them.

I don't care what their wage is, their expectation of a tip or reward for just doing their job is not realistic. I expect them to do their job well and then I shall tip them as an incentive for performing their job well. Isn't that supposed to be how capitalism works via the profit motive?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

after a while, a non-tipper can almost be guaranteed of some extra mucous or semen in their milkshakes and salad dressing.... and at no extra charge. Well deserved, if you ask me.

LOL That's not only gross it's also illegal and anyone caught doing that should rightfully go to jail.