Pence to the Moon

Hello Phantasmal,

Phantasmal said:
I agree it has done a great deal for us, but private industries are making the advancements now and the government can launch new industries. Our oceans for one. We have not explored our own oceans to the fullest extent. There is also green energy. I think we should find out about our own space before going to outer space, but that's just my personal opinion.
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I kind of agree with that. There is so much more we can do here with the money. Connecting our country with a network of bullet trains would save tons of CO2 from the atmosphere and create tons of jobs. It would also enhance our economy by making us more interconnected. Not to mention that just because government decides not to spend so heavily in space is no reason that private industry won't be doing it anyway.
 
Heff said:
The opportunities in space are astronomical, excuse the pun, and it will alter the course of human history.

A half of children in China want to be astronauts. Most kids in western countries want to be Youtubers. Do the math

You guys defunded space exploration and look where it got you.
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Reminder: Obama was handed a crippled economy to patch up and faced vociferous Republican deficit hawks. Those Republican deficit hawks have all vanished and been replaced by spendthrifts who went on and on about fixing healthcare but then when they got their chance at the karaoke mic totally froze up and couldn't produce a peep of actionable health care reform. Do what you said you were going to do before you tell us what you want to do next.
 
cawacko said:
As far as bullet trains we can look at California to see how that works. From a political perspective you have about as ideal of conditions as your could want. You have a heavily blue state where Republicans have little to no power. We have high taxes and people who claim to care about infrastructure. And yet it has been a disaster to the extent Governor Newsom has it not so many words put it on hold (the LA to SF portion). Not to mention you have these (progressive) communities fighting it because they don't want tracks near where they live.

I guess someone could argue the federal government should step in and eliminate all rights of the state and local communities to force it to be built. But even in progressive California that wouldn't fly.
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Yes, I live here to, as do others & we hear all the time from the not progressive communities that they want those tracks by their house.:palm:

It's stupid is the reason.......... @ least here, this isn't the eastern seaboard...

You can already fly-not subsidized for less & much faster....... IMHO simply a waste...

First time there is an earthquake & a train flys off they will be calling it the old ghost train...
 
Gonzomin said:
The moon program created lots of jobs. A lot of technology that was created has become industries. It gave a huge jump to the US in compters and peaceful applications. The space program gave us a boost in mathematics, engineering, computer technology and many other areas of expertise. We should all push for space exploration.
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Will there be jobs for Americans?? Or will they bring in H1B for the high paying jobs??
 
Bill said:
Yes, I live here to, as do others & we hear all the time from the not progressive communities that they want those tracks by their house.:palm:

It's stupid is the reason.......... @ least here, this isn't the eastern seaboard...

You can already fly-not subsidized for less & much faster....... IMHO simply a waste...

First time there is an earthquake & a train flys off they will be calling it the old ghost train...
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Was the S.F. to L.A. version of the train going through Sacramento? (not a rhetorical question, I thought it was Bakersfield and the Central Valley - not Sac)

I mention progressive communities because I'm most familiar with what's being discussed in the Bay Area and the resistance here. That's not to suggest more conservative communities would be open to it. And I was painting a picture of the (progressive) political environment which in theory would be most open to this high speed rail.
 
cawacko said:
Was the S.F. to L.A. version of the train going through Sacramento? (not a rhetorical question, I thought it was Bakersfield and the Central Valley - not Sac)

I mention progressive communities because I'm most familiar with what's being discussed in the Bay Area and the resistance here. That's not to suggest more conservative communities would be open to it. And I was painting a picture of the (progressive) political environment which in theory would be most open to this high speed rail.
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No, not right away, it was going to extend there supposedly @ some point..

What do you think about it??

They are "planning" bakersfield to Merced?? -sounds like a joke to me..... One shithole to another, the middle of no where...
 
Bill said:
No, not right away, it was going to extend there supposedly @ some point..

What do you think about it??

They are "planning" bakersfield to Merced?? -sounds like a joke to me..... One shithole to another, the middle of no where...
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I thought it was a big boondoggle from the start. I'm not ideologically opposed to high speed rail. I'm all for new transportation alternatives if they work and are cost effective etc. Our roads are a damn mess. But after reading about all the money going to consultants and how they were going about it and after talking to some acquaintances who were involved I was against it from the start. And with the extraordinary cost overruns and how everything has gone down that's exactly how it's played out.
 
cawacko said:
I thought it was a big boondoggle from the start. I'm not ideologically opposed to high speed rail. I'm all for new transportation alternatives if they work and are cost effective etc. Our roads are a damn mess. But after reading about all the money going to consultants and how they were going about it and after talking to some acquaintances who were involved I was against it from the start. And with the extraordinary cost overruns and how everything has gone down that's exactly how it's played out.
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I have never been for it either..... The only thing I saw as a positive~if it can be called that, was the jobs brown talked about.. Sadly it reminded me kinda of that story about "dulling the axes, that which once took one blow, will not take five, thus more men will be @ work"

You know how it is if you are driving home up 5 on a Sunday night. Bumper to bumper from Pasadena all the way to Tracy ( :dunno: several hundred thousand vehicles)??.. How many is a single train going to carry??
 
Phantasmal said:
What is all this going to the Moon nonsense? Are we so flush with money that we can take on these ridiculous projects?

Give us good healthcare to rally the patriotism in this country, not some stupid mission to the Moon, or Mars.

Improve our infrastructure!

They really are trying to take us back, old white guy nostalgia.

Its just so stupid.
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I admit I am a space geek and have always been inclined towards significant funding for NASA.

My head tells me that your point makes total sense.

I also think manned space exploration is superfluous and unwarranted at this time. We really should just be funding unmanned interplanetary probes and telescopes and other technological platforms in low earth orbit.
 
Cypress said:
I admit I am a space geek and have always been inclined towards significant funding for NASA.

My head tells me that your point makes total sense.

I also think manned space exploration is superfluous and unwarranted at this time. We really should just be funding unmanned interplanetary probes and telescopes and other technological platforms in low earth orbit.
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I worry about our oceans. I guess that is why my focus would be on them. We have a direct impact on our oceans.
I love space, but I just think the ocean is more urgent.
 
Phantasmal said:
I worry about our oceans. I guess that is why my focus would be on them. We have a direct impact on our oceans.
I love space, but I just think the ocean is more urgent.
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I have to agree completely with that. This planet's climate, environment, ecosystems are ultimately completely dependent on a healthy ocean.
 
Phantasmal said:
What is all this going to the Moon nonsense? Are we so flush with money that we can take on these ridiculous projects?

Give us good healthcare to rally the patriotism in this country, not some stupid mission to the Moon, or Mars.

Improve our infrastructure!

They really are trying to take us back, old white guy nostalgia.

Its just so stupid.
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Lol, TDS claims another victim. If "The One" had advocated this, you'd have been gushing. Fraud.
 
countryboy said:
Lol, TDS claims another victim. If "The One" had advocated this, you'd have been gushing. Fraud.
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I had a similar reaction. I get that liberals and conservatives often have different government spending priorities but complaining about space programs? And in a racial and gender way? It also seems ironic considering how often liberals like to call conservatives anti-science.
 
cawacko said:
I had a similar reaction. I get that liberals and conservatives often have different government spending priorities but complaining about space programs? And in a racial and gender way? It also seems ironic considering how often liberals like to call conservatives anti-science.
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Phantasmal has gone completely off the deep end. She's not speaking to me again because I'm a "racist and a bigot". Lol.
 
India has just launched a rocket to land on the moon. China has a thriving space program. Rightys want us to close NASA and give the money to the wealthy. Space programs are important to prestige and staying on top of technology.
 
Gonzomin said:
India has just launched a rocket to land on the moon. China has a thriving space program. Rightys want us to close NASA and give the money to the wealthy. Space programs are important to prestige and staying on top of technology.
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