Pentagon blames Trump for resurgence of ISIS

Darth Omar said:
Which puts us right back to the least-bad option: when ISIS starts to get too rowdy—dust off the drones. Nobody is a big fan of drones but drones coupled with our intelligence [we know where they are] gives us a means to keep them in check.

The alternatives are an eternal presence in Afghanistan or ignoring them—which is what Obama did and we know how that ends up.

Neither is acceptable.
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Middle east players are engaged now, so we do NOT NEED 'trainers' or boots there anymore.
Yes we can always call in air
 
anatta said:
"undermining" how? you blithering Idiot.
The Kurds did their area but the Iranians and Shi'a militia and Iraqi army did their ISIS cleaning areas as well
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Trump's unilateral withdrawal from Syria has undermined the Kurds and emboldened what is left of ISIS.

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rjhenn said:
Trump's unilateral withdrawal from Syria has undermined the Kurds and emboldened what is left of ISIS.
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horse shit.. I asked you how they are undermined and you can't answer because they were not.
You could have mentioned a Kurdish state, but you didn't because you are ignorant of middle east affairs.

ISIS isn't "emboldened" it a fractured insurgency, just like it was before it was ISIS ( it was AQI)
you are indeed a blithering idiot
 
anatta said:
horse shit.. I asked you how they are undermined and you can't answer because they were not.
You could have mentioned a Kurdish state, but you didn't because you are ignorant of middle east affairs.

ISIS isn't "emboldened" it a fractured insurgency, just like it was before it was ISIS ( it was AQI)
you are indeed a blithering idiot
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ISIS in Afghanistan is at the point it bears watching. If they start to organize, hit them from the air.

I’m skeptical of the Pentagon criticism in the OP: in one sense, the Pentagon functions as a self-interested corporation within the government that likes to keep ‘business up’. Who knows how many defense contractors have high ranking Pentagon people on speed dial. How many of them start making noise when Trump [or any future president] tries to wind things down in Afghanistan?

The whole business needs a hard look from a determined president that is willing to change the culture at the top.
 
Havana Moon said:
NotAllThere is in serious denial about the role played by Obama in enabling ISIS, he should stick to wood whittling.
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Bush created/enabled ISIS. Obama and his intel advisers definitely underestimated them. Given their tactics of using entire villages as human shields, it took a bit of time for Obama et. al to come up with a plan to eradicate them from Iraq.

It was a challenge, but that was his forte.
 
Darth Omar said:
Which puts us right back to the least-bad option: when ISIS starts to get too rowdy—dust off the drones. Nobody is a big fan of drones but drones coupled with our intelligence [we know where they are] gives us a means to keep them in check.

The alternatives are an eternal presence in Afghanistan or ignoring them—which is what Obama did and we know how that ends up.

Neither is acceptable.
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LMAO. He ignored them to death. Mosul was surrounded, and all supplies were cut off to ISIS when trump took office. They were allowing villagers out. trump mopped up and took credit for everything.
 
Darth Omar said:
ISIS in Afghanistan is at the point it bears watching. If they start to organize, hit them from the air.

I’m skeptical of the Pentagon criticism in the OP: in one sense, the Pentagon functions as a self-interested corporation within the government that likes to keep ‘business up’. Who knows how many defense contractors have high ranking Pentagon people on speed dial. How many of them start making noise when Trump [or any future president] tries to wind things down in Afghanistan?

The whole business needs a hard look from a determined president that is willing to change the culture at the top.
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Agree. However, it keeps going back to Pandora's Box. There will never be an answer to this problem. They have no problem recruiting new assets. Sure...they grew rapidly in the beginning because they were stealing Iraqi oil and using it to fund their operations. Further, cowardly Iraqi soldiers provided arms when they joined ISIS.


That's not going on right now, thanks to Obama. But...they'll always have the ability to create small terrorist attacks until they grow their cache of weapons again.

The best answer is to not invade Iraq at all.

If only we had a time machine.
 
Althea said:
LMAO. He ignored them to death. Mosul was surrounded, and all supplies were cut off to ISIS when trump took office. They were allowing villagers out. trump mopped up and took credit for everything.
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such horseshit ignorance. post a map dotard. (Jan 2017)
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Obama didn't do shit. He provided air cover -if he had stafed the bastards as they convoyed into Iraq
they wouldn't have gotten the heavy weapons Iraqi soldiers abandoned when confronting ISIS

 
Althea said:
Bush created/enabled ISIS. Obama and his intel advisers definitely underestimated them. Given their tactics of using entire villages as human shields, it took a bit of time for Obama et. al to come up with a plan to eradicate them from Iraq.

It was a challenge, but that was his forte.
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more horseshit. Obama did not do any planning for the land forces.
The Iraqi army is autonomous and worked in tandem with the Shi'a militias called to arms.

The Iranians certainly did not coordinate with Obama. On top of that Obama require much too much decision making for airstrikes to come thru the White House, instead of the battlefield autonomy directed by Trump
 
Darth Omar said:
ISIS in Afghanistan is at the point it bears watching. If they start to organize, hit them from the air.

I’m skeptical of the Pentagon criticism in the OP: in one sense, the Pentagon functions as a self-interested corporation within the government that likes to keep ‘business up’. Who knows how many defense contractors have high ranking Pentagon people on speed dial. How many of them start making noise when Trump [or any future president] tries to wind things down in Afghanistan?

The whole business needs a hard look from a determined president that is willing to change the culture at the top.
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most definately. the Pentagon would have us in wars worldwide -it's what they do
 
^ he does. the freaking generals want us stuck in Syria -add in Rubio and the hawks as well.
Russia and Assad got this now that ISIS has no more land
 
Althea said:
LMAO. He ignored them to death. Mosul was surrounded, and all supplies were cut off to ISIS when trump took office. They were allowing villagers out. trump mopped up and took credit for everything.
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Which is all that Trump ever does.

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anatta said:
horse shit.. I asked you how they are undermined and you can't answer because they were not.
You could have mentioned a Kurdish state, but you didn't because you are ignorant of middle east affairs.

ISIS isn't "emboldened" it a fractured insurgency, just like it was before it was ISIS ( it was AQI)
you are indeed a blithering idiot
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Ref the OP.

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archives said:
"A scathing new Pentagon report blames Trump for the return of ISIS in Syria and Iraq"

"A report from the Pentagon inspector general found that President Donald Trump's decision to rapidly pull troops out of Syria and divert attention from diplomacy in Iraq has inadvertently aided the Islamic State's regrouping in Syria and Iraq."

"The Department of Defense's quarterly report to Congress on the effectiveness of the US Operation Inherent Resolve mission said that "ISIS continued its transition from a territory-holding force to an insurgency in Syria, and it intensified its insurgency in Iraq" — even though Trump said ISIS was defeated and the caliphate quashed"

"The Trump administration's decision to focus its attention on Iran reduced its capacity to effectively counter ISIS in Iraq and Syria"

https://www.businessinsider.com/pen...s-syria-and-iraq-2019-8?utm_source=reddit.com

Seems Trump's "America First" policy, whatever that hell that is besides a cliche for the gym rallies, is imploding all over the world. We've lost strong relationships with traditional allies, watched the Far East fragment, allowed China to extend spheres of influence worldwide, authoritarian leaders to pretty much do what they want unchecked, and as we've seen here, even managed to screw up apparent success

But as long as Trump keeps insulting and demonizing the people and ideas the Trumpkins are afraid of, it's a "greater America," regardless of the realities
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I didn't realize Trump was president in 2011.
 
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