People advised to stay out of Los Angeles

Jarod said:
False, perfectly safe. I saw some homeless people on the street, but they were kind and harmless. I also saw a thriving city full of creatiity and energy and progress.
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This made me LOL. Totally something you might hear from someone who came to town for 1 day and spent it in Beverly Hills.

There are millions of people in L.A. and the surrounding area. They aren't all getting killed or robbed or mugged on a daily basis. Those trying to sell that story have an agenda. But so do you with the above. There's a reason there was a movement to recall DA Gascon because crime and quality of life concerns are increasing and while many people may proclaim themselves to be progressive they don't like being afraid either.

And trying to paint the homeless as friendly and harmless just shows you didn't deal with them. I'm not saying this in any way to state that homeless are themselves bad people. But the mentally ill and drug enabled don't behave in the way most of us do. Now maybe you think it teaches your kids character to have a drug enabled mentally ill person approach your kid(s) on the street, start screaming at them and threatening them but most folks I know don't care for it. And this is something I can speak to personally having dealt with it for years.

If you're not from here and deal with it on a daily basis you have no idea the degree of the homeless problem and how much interaction even the well to do have with it.
 
I was in LA like 15 years ago, that experience was all I needed to never want to go back.
Dirty, rude and smelly.
San Diego was beautiful but the only good part was well out of town at the Zoo's wild animal preserve (not the zoo itself).
 
cawacko said:
This made me LOL. Totally something you might hear from someone who came to town for 1 day and spent it in Beverly Hills.

There are millions of people in L.A. and the surrounding area. They aren't all getting killed or robbed or mugged on a daily basis. Those trying to sell that story have an agenda. But so do you with the above. There's a reason there was a movement to recall DA Gascon because crime and quality of life concerns are increasing and while many people may proclaim themselves to be progressive they don't like being afraid either.

And trying to paint the homeless as friendly and harmless just shows you didn't deal with them. I'm not saying this in any way to state that homeless are themselves bad people. But the mentally ill and drug enabled don't behave in the way most of us do. Now maybe you think it teaches your kids character to have a drug enabled mentally ill person approach your kid(s) on the street, start screaming at them and threatening them but most folks I know don't care for it. And this is something I can speak to personally having dealt with it for years.

If you're not from here and deal with it on a daily basis you have no idea the degree of the homeless problem and how much interaction even the well to do have with it.
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I’m sure some of the homeless are dangerous, But the majority are harmless. The ones I encountered are harmless. .
 
Jarod said:
I’m sure some of the homeless are dangerous, But the majority are harmless. The ones I encountered are harmless. .
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Like I said, spoken from someone not from here and most likely doesn't encounter homeless people on a daily basis where you live.
 
Jarod said:
You live in LA?
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I live in SF but have spent plenty of time there and have numerous friends that do. The homeless population in LA is not different than SF. And you read the local papers, social media etc. and it’s a heavily discussed topic. (Parents walking their kids around town and getting threatened, dealing with needles etc)

I’m not giving you some partisan b.s., I’m giving you reality.
 
Let’s see, who do I believe on this thread? Who likely knows the most (on this thread anyway) about the situation in the large metro areas of California? Mmmm…:bigthink:
 
leaningright said:
Let’s see, who do I believe on this thread? Who likely knows the most (on this thread anyway) about the situation in the large metro areas of California? Mmmm…:bigthink:
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LOL!!! I mean I get it, California is a proxy in our political wars. People on the right want to sh*t on the state and people on the left want to sell it as their shiny tribute to liberalism. And I almost feel bad speaking this way about the homeless because but for the grace of God go I but some out of towner trying to tell a story of these friendly welcoming homeless folks on the street is not reality. It's a bad and very sad situation with no friendly spin to be put on it.
 
The homeless problem is everywhere. So why not shit on them too? Or you just want to play a political game?
 
cawacko said:
LOL!!! I mean I get it, California is a proxy in our political wars. People on the right want to sh*t on the state and people on the left want to sell it as their shiny tribute to liberalism. And I almost feel bad speaking this way about the homeless because but for the grace of God go I but some out of towner trying to tell a story of these friendly welcoming homeless folks on the street is not reality. It's a bad and very sad situation with no friendly spin to be put on it.
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I understand. I have loved my visits to California though they have been to non-city destinations except for one family visit to Sacramento. I definitely don’t like much of the politics out there but I have tried more and more over the years to be a little more temperate and use fewer blanket statements in my discussion of the left (and right) coast. I have found good folks everywhere.

As far as the homeless go, it’s the same with Oklahoma City. I have been out there this time of year with food and blankets and other things to try to help some as far as a guy of average means can. It’s frustrating to the point of being disheartening to know that no matter your efforts it’s not going to change many things for these folks. And even though you’re out there trying to help them, many are skeptical of your motivations. So I had to lol at the “friendly and welcoming” line.
 
leaningright said:
I understand. I have loved my visits to California though they have been to non-city destinations except for one family visit to Sacramento. I definitely don’t like much of the politics out there but I have tried more and more over the years to be a little more temperate and use fewer blanket statements in my discussion of the left (and right) coast. I have found good folks everywhere.

As far as the homeless go, it’s the same with Oklahoma City. I have been out there this time of year with food and blankets and other things to try to help some as far as a guy of average means can. It’s frustrating to the point of being disheartening to know that no matter your efforts it’s not going to change many things for these folks. And even though you’re out there trying to help them, many are skeptical of your motivations. So I had to lol at the “friendly and welcoming” line.
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Much respect for the work you do trying to help folks LR. Props to you sir. Do you have a sense for why some of the homeless are skeptical of your motivations? (in a certain sense that doesn't shock me but nonethelesss...)

And yes, you are spot on that there are good folks everywhere.
 
cawacko said:
Much respect for the work you do trying to help folks LR. Props to you sir. Do you have a sense for why some of the homeless are skeptical of your motivations? (in a certain sense that doesn't shock me but nonethelesss...)

And yes, you are spot on that there are good folks everywhere.
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For different reasons, I think. Some think you’re there to make them get of drugs…and several of them don’t want to do that. Some think you’re trying to convert them (I go with a group of church folks) and then some of the very paranoid ones think you’re going to turn them in to the law or some such stuff. Every story and situation out there is different. To that first group … if someone doesn’t want to get off drugs to the point they are willing to live on the streets there isn’t much you can do for them but try to feed them and keep them warm.

We had a group of folks from church last year, ahead of the major winter storms that hit in February, who took tents and buddy heaters with canisters to try to help them get through the few days of extreme cold. Offers were made to house/shelter to many of them but were turned down at nearly a 100% rate. Again…one has to wonder.
 
leaningright said:
For different reasons, I think. Some think you’re there to make them get of drugs…and several of them don’t want to do that. Some think you’re trying to convert them (I go with a group of church folks) and then some of the very paranoid ones think you’re going to turn them in to the law or some such stuff. Every story and situation out there is different. To that first group … if someone doesn’t want to get off drugs to the point they are willing to live on the streets there isn’t much you can do for them but try to feed them and keep them warm.

We had a group of folks from church last year, ahead of the major winter storms that hit in February, who took tents and buddy heaters with canisters to try to help them get through the few days of extreme cold. Offers were made to house/shelter to many of them but were turned down at nearly a 100% rate. Again…one has to wonder.
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Now that I think about it that doesn't surprise me. They write about that a lot here as to how difficult it can be to get (some) people off the streets. To most of us we'd do anything to not have to spend a night on the street. But for reasons you stated that isn't the case for everyone. (not to imply these people enjoy the streets rather the trade off for getting off the streets may not be worth it to them)
 
Jarod said:
I have no idea what their political affiliation is, but I do understand people in that situation pretending there is a crisis when they are in the middle of funding negotiations.
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So you don't consider open looting, homeless shitting in on the sidewalks and taking over everywhere with their blight, mask and vax mandates, high taxes, high costs, gangs everywhere, daily violence by Antifa and BLM, the inability to keep the lights on because of power plants being shut down, lack of water due to poor maintenance on the water supply system, shortages, and illegal immigrants everywhere NOT a crisis???

What the hell DO you consider a crisis?????

This isn't about funding negotiations.
 
Celticguy said:
I was in LA like 15 years ago, that experience was all I needed to never want to go back.
Dirty, rude and smelly.
San Diego was beautiful but the only good part was well out of town at the Zoo's wild animal preserve (not the zoo itself).
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San Diego is certainly better, but it's becoming a shithole too, particularly downtown.
 
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