Pew 2024 religious landscape survey

Cypress said:
As I was telling Dutch, there are way more Jewish people in the northeast, because that was ground zero for Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th
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Living in a predominantly Catholic / lapsed Catholic area,
I've definitely had more Jewish acquaintances than Protestant ones.

We have old Yankee Protestants who came here by sail,
but they tend to be in cluster neighborhoods and their numbers steadily drop.

Also, they're mostly Episcopalian or Presbyterian or predominantly black denominations
more than hard core fundy or Evangelical types.

The latter often find Boston uncomfortable and migrate to rural New Hampshire..
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I see the number one reason organized religion takes a hit is that whichever church is losing followers it has increasingly gone woke. That is, as Leftist ideas and ideology permeate a church, people in the church leave.
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That isn't it. The Church has to keep up with the times. It has to evolve as people's morality and view of reality changes. There has never been a faith that fails to evolve with the needs of the people. That's why we have so many different faiths and variants and sub-variants of all the beliefs.

People need religion to keep up with them as they grow, not hamper them from growing.
 
gmark77 said:
That isn't it. The Church has to keep up with the times. It has to evolve as people's morality and view of reality changes. There has never been a faith that fails to evolve with the needs of the people. That's why we have so many different faiths and variants and sub-variants of all the beliefs.

People need religion to keep up with them as they grow, not hamper them from growing.
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As for TAG's opinion, I would think church is a more appropriate place for "woke" than is politics.
In politics, you have to win before you can help anybody.

In church, you can go entirely on principle.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
As for TAG's opinion, I would think church is a more appropriate place for "woke" than is politics.
In politics, you have to win before you can help anybody.

In church, you can go entirely on principle.
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And of course, Christianity was originally founded as pretty woke but the new versions that are being spawned in America have chosen to eliminate a lot of the kinder parts of the Gospels.
 
The problem with woke principles are that they are all narcissistic, narrow-minded, and in most cases racist, sexist, etc.

Core Woke Principles​

  1. Awareness of Social Inequalities: Being "woke" involves recognizing and understanding systemic injustices related to race, gender, sexuality, and other identities. This includes acknowledging issues like white privilege, gender inequality, and LGBTQ+ rights.
    This one is narrow minded. It chooses certain aspects of society and proclaims these as inequalities. White privilege is simply racism against Whites. Gender inequality requires insane definitions of gender and goes hand-in-hand with one select group, the LGBTPDQRSTUV community

  1. Advocacy for Marginalized Groups: Woke principles emphasize the importance of supporting and uplifting marginalized communities. This can manifest in various forms, such as participating in movements like Black Lives Matter, advocating for gender-neutral bathrooms, and promoting safe spaces for vulnerable populations.
    Again, it means defining who is marginalized. This is selective narcissism at its worst. It picks on the basis of those advocating for wokeness on the basis of race, gender, or some other quality that ends up making the selection racist, sexist, or whatever.

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  1. Social Justice Initiatives: Woke individuals often support initiatives aimed at achieving social justice, such as affirmative action, diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, and gender-affirming care for transgender individuals. These initiatives seek to address historical and systemic discrimination.
This is nothing but justifying racism, sexism, or whatever. Further, it advocates for wealth redistribution and confiscation in order to make it happen. In essence, it calls for robbing from some to give to others who did nothing to deserve it other than happen to meet certain arbitrary criteria. It replaces discrimination with new and different discrimination.

  1. Cultural Sensitivity and Language Awareness: Woke principles encourage individuals to be mindful of the language they use and its impact on others. This includes using preferred pronouns and avoiding language that perpetuates stereotypes or discrimination.

    https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=937e...6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvV29rZQ&ntb=1
So, now it advocates for control of speech with assumed penalties for those that dare say something out-of-line or contrary to the accepted party line. It uses made up language that further reinforces the party line and enforces dogmatic acceptance of that. Cultural sensitivity is only extended to those the party deems worthy to have that occur with. Cultural sensitivity as practiced by the woke / radical Left is no different than this example:

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In North Korea, you must have an approved hair style or off to the gulag you go. The Left just substitutes "cultural appropriation" or "insensitivity" for their version of the exact same thing.

And lastly...

Intersectionality: Woke ideology often incorporates the concept of intersectionality, which recognizes that individuals can experience multiple forms of oppression simultaneously based on their various identities (e.g., race, gender, class). This principle advocates for a more nuanced understanding of social issues.

This concept is the brainchild of Communist, radical Leftist Kimberly Crenshaw. I'll add she's sexist, racist, and generally a hater too. She is also a principle inventor of the idiocy of Critical Race Theory where you get lumped into a category of either being racist or a victim based on your racial make up. Your individual actions and thoughts are irrelevant in her theory. When combined with intersectionality it allows the practitioner to toss multiple negative or positive (if you are deemed a victim) epitaphs, labels, and general hate (or praise) on you simply for existing.

Woke as designed and practiced is the worst sort of historical racism, exclusionary practices, and hatred for your fellow man that can exist. The Woke are everything they say their opposition is.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It varies a bit by nation...and also on how its counted, but generally the drop is similar in all industrialized, modern nations while Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Especially in Africa. Two main reasons about religious growth are developing nations and education.

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My question wasn't clear. I wonder if the percentages of humans worldwide who believe in souls, afterlife, a spirit is the same or are the OP's stats just for the U.S.?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The problem with woke principles are that they are all narcissistic, narrow-minded, and in most cases racist, sexist, etc.

Core Woke Principles​

  1. Awareness of Social Inequalities:
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Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


T. A. Gardner said:
  1. Being "woke" involves recognizing and understanding systemic injustices
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Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven




 
gmark77 said:
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,




Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven
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Give me some current examples of "systematic injustices." Spouting vague platitudes doesn't equate to actually having a good idea that should be carried out.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Give me some current examples of "systematic injustices." Spouting vague platitudes doesn't equate to actually having a good idea that should be carried out.
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Sorry you find the words of the Lord Jesus Christ to be "vague platitudes". Perhaps you would do better to listen to what he had to say.
 
gmark77 said:
Sorry you find the words of the Lord Jesus Christ to be "vague platitudes". Perhaps you would do better to listen to what he had to say.
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I'm Shen Buddhist, not Christian. Living in poverty (Mark) and spending your life preaching a religion (Luke) are special callings that wouldn't befit most people and definitely don't benefit society as a whole if everyone followed them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I see the number one reason organized religion takes a hit is that whichever church is losing followers it has increasingly gone woke. That is, as Leftist ideas and ideology permeate a church, people in the church leave.
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OMG. You're not actually Christian, are you? Those "leftist ideals" you so fear -- feeding and housing the poor, welcoming to strangers, nonjudgmental attitude toward others, acceptance before Christ, nonviolence (remember, we all want to snatch your guns), charity, healing, kindness, compassion -- all things that Jesus taught.

You all would crucify Him all over again if He returned today.

And if fundie and evangelical churches would stop preaching prosperity shit and obedience to Republican politicians, they might see their congregations grow again.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
OMG. You're not actually Christian, are you?
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The said to me that they are Shen Buddhist.

ThatOwlWoman said:
Those "leftist ideals" you so fear -- feeding and housing the poor, welcoming to strangers, nonjudgmental attitude toward others, acceptance before Christ, nonviolence (remember, we all want to snatch your guns), charity, healing, kindness, compassion -- all things that Jesus taught.
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QFT.

 
ThatOwlWoman said:
My question wasn't clear. I wonder if the percentages of humans worldwide who believe in souls, afterlife, a spirit is the same or are the OP's stats just for the U.S.?
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It varies by nation/region. Comparing First World nations with emerging nations in the graph below will give a good comparison with the US.

A requirement for both of my degrees was a Statistics class....and having poor math skills was a main reason why I'm not an aeronautical engineer. LOL

A main thing I learned from each is that statistics don't lie, but it's very important to know what question to ask in order to obtain a particular truth. Regardless of religious beliefs or claims of being an agnostic or atheist, knowing what percentage believe in an afterlife is an excellent measure of their spirituality.

That said, the fact Thailand is about 50/50 seems odd to me. Is this something about their particular form of Buddhism or is it because they are half atheists who believe "when you're dead, you're dead".

www.pewresearch.org

2. Beliefs about the afterlife

In nearly every place surveyed, half or more say life after death is likely. Fewer believe in reincarnation or that ancestral spirits can affect their lives. Pew Research Center.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
OMG. You're not actually Christian, are you? Those "leftist ideals" you so fear -- feeding and housing the poor, welcoming to strangers, nonjudgmental attitude toward others, acceptance before Christ, nonviolence (remember, we all want to snatch your guns), charity, healing, kindness, compassion -- all things that Jesus taught.

You all would crucify Him all over again if He returned today.

And if fundie and evangelical churches would stop preaching prosperity shit and obedience to Republican politicians, they might see their congregations grow again.
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He's not a Buddhist either except in name only.
 
gmark77 said:
The said to me that they are Shen Buddhist.



QFT.
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Terry talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. People claim all sorts of things on JPP; wealth, trophy girls, trophy car, higher education, top jobs, and other brags of success. Over time, it's easy to spot the poseurs. The whole "walk the walk" thing.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
OMG. You're not actually Christian, are you? Those "leftist ideals" you so fear -- feeding and housing the poor, welcoming to strangers, nonjudgmental attitude toward others, acceptance before Christ, nonviolence (remember, we all want to snatch your guns), charity, healing, kindness, compassion -- all things that Jesus taught.
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Feeding and housing the poor is best done by people who have a desire to do it, and those that want to give to that cause. When government does it, the whole thing just ends up fucked up totally. From public housing projects to general welfare, the government is bad--horrible--at charity.
ThatOwlWoman said:
You all would crucify Him all over again if He returned today.
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I wouldn't care. I might be interested in what he had to say, but I wouldn't be out to pillory him. But I'd bet a Leftist, like you, would in a heartbeat the second he said something that wasn't party doctrine. After all, that is essentially why Jesus was crucified the first time.
ThatOwlWoman said:
And if fundie and evangelical churches would stop preaching prosperity shit and obedience to Republican politicians, they might see their congregations grow again.
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It's that many of those are run by corrupt assholes bent on little more than self-enrichment who know how to sell shit to the gullible and idiots. The few that aren't gain a following that stays the course with them because they're genuine.
 
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