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AssHatZombie said:
But the lazy one with family connections to the military industrial complex will surely prevail over the hard worker. Misanthropy is refusing to acknowledge this reality.
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Gee, Asshat. I think this is the second time we've agreed. Damn! :rofl:

You're absolutely correct. Connections, timing, circumstances.....that's what it's all about and that's why when I hear people say "They worked harder, they sacrificed, they did this and they did that...bullshit, plain and simple. Maybe one did but it certainly isn't the norm.

Whether we're talking about a butcher business or a trucking business or a recycling business I heard the inside scoop. The butcher didn't get rich because he had better pork chops nor the trucking guy because he offered people good routes or drove a lot of hours and as for the recycling business, well, that one doesn't take a lot of imagination.

As for myself, while certainly not rich, I retired early due to absolutely nothing I had control over. And, no, I didn't work harder than everybody else nor sacrifice more than anyone else. Nothing but luck and circumstance/timing.
 
apple0154 said:
That's exactly what I've been saying. Working hard does not guarantee wealth. And the other side of the coin is being wealthy does not guarantee the person worked hard.
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That's not exactly what you have been saying.

apple0154 said:
The taxation is not responsible for the rich being rich or the poor being poor. Most of the rich people got that way by busting their ass and working long hours.
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apple0154 said:
Now that is funny! If busting ones ass and working long hours is the secret why aren't more people doing it? Where is the instruction book? How many hours are in a multi-millionaire's day compared to the amount of hours in a minimum wage-earner's day?
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You took exception with the comment that MOST got that way from hard work. No one argued that all got that way via hard work. No one said that hard work guarantees wealth. It is a significant factor and probably the most significant factor for the newly wealthy.
 
apple0154 said:
Gee, Asshat. I think this is the second time we've agreed. Damn! :rofl:

You're absolutely correct. Connections, timing, circumstances.....that's what it's all about and that's why when I hear people say "They worked harder, they sacrificed, they did this and they did that...bullshit, plain and simple. Maybe one did but it certainly isn't the norm.

Whether we're talking about a butcher business or a trucking business or a recycling business I heard the inside scoop. The butcher didn't get rich because he had better pork chops nor the trucking guy because he offered people good routes or drove a lot of hours and as for the recycling business, well, that one doesn't take a lot of imagination.

As for myself, while certainly not rich, I retired early due to absolutely nothing I had control over. And, no, I didn't work harder than everybody else nor sacrifice more than anyone else. Nothing but luck and circumstance/timing.
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We don't agree on much though. Increasing regulation, and centrally planned / dictated versus organic economies only increase the relevance of cronyism and negate the relevance of hard work.
 
We need currency reform. That's not "regulation". It's making the money system NOT TOTALITARIAN. As it is now our government holds us hostage with money they print out of thin air and then make us pay them back for their tyranny.
 
apple0154 said:
Are you talking about all of us returning to farming? :confused:
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That would be ideal. All humans should have knowledge of basic agricultural techniques, so he can't be controlled by others controlling his food supply, like the pharoahs did to control their slaves, all tyrants do to enslave in the end.

Starved in a work camp. work to death building saint petersburg for the ego of a tsar of modernity. Progress is not really what it's cracked up to be.
 
AssHatZombie said:
That would be ideal. All humans should have knowledge of basic agricultural techniques, so he can't be controlled by others controlling his food supply, like the pharoahs did to control their slaves, all tyrants do to enslave in the end.

Starved in a work camp. work to death building saint petersburg for the ego of a tsar of modernity. Progress is not really what it's cracked up to be.
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Ideal? Are you serious? It would be hell.

Are you Amish?
 
They would never DO that.

This is what glen beck is talking about when he says the other countries want to know if we're serious. Will we let our people starve like we made them do to prove their allegiance to the order?
 
AssHatZombie said:
They would never DO that.

This is what glen beck is talking about when he says the other countries want to know if we're serious. Will we let our people starve like we made them do to prove their allegiance to the order?
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Asshat, there has to be a world order. Just like when a large enough group of people live together there has to be some sort of overarching authority. Usually, a town/village is incorporated. The same has to happen to the planet if we are to manage the resources.
 
apple0154 said:
Don't forget they did get an opportunity to buy the building before I bought it. Also, I didn't move in the building and take their apartment so they had a few years more in their place.

Hmmm, I guess I am an alright guy! Thanks for encouraging me to write it out. :)
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OH-Since they had an opportunity, it absolves you of your selfish behavior!!

Isn't that speeeeeeeeeeecial. :good4u:
 
apple0154 said:
Asshat, there has to be a world order. Just like when a large enough group of people live together there has to be some sort of overarching authority. Usually, a town/village is incorporated. The same has to happen to the planet if we are to manage the resources.
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That doesn't mean it has to be ordered that we are so dependant on singular resource supply grid that is controlled by corporations, or governments. no difference there. We could make it policy that all people learn agriculture.

Think of the gas we would save not having to ship stuff all round. Decentralized production prevents the single points of failure which occur in a more hiearchical and externally controlled structure. Self reliance makes sense as a plan for society.
 
RStringfield said:
This is a bunch of misanthropic horse shit.

I have known several wealthy people well enough. Most of them did not inherit a thing. Actually, as I think about it, most were immigrants that came to this country with nothing. I never had any reason not to trust them.

Nearly all were hard workers who were capable of deferring consumption in order to save their money.

Of course, working hard does not guarantee wealth. No one has argued that it does.

Take two people at the same starting point. One is a hard worker that is careful with his money. One is lazy and spends frivolously. Obviously, the first guy is FAR more likely to attain wealth. It is unbelievable that anyone would argue otherwise.
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Using apples logic: The one that is careful with his money, should willingly give a share of his money to the lazy one; because apple beleives that NO ONE would ever choose to be lazy and poor.
 
AssHatZombie said:
You say that now. But compare to starving to death in a ditch when bank of america deletes your digital id from the mainframe and you can no longer purchase food.
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HEY!!!

No jumping ahead of our; er.........................the schedule.

You're not slatted to have your ID deleated, until 20011.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Using apples logic: The one that is careful with his money, should willingly give a share of his money to the lazy one; because apple beleives that NO ONE would ever choose to be lazy and poor.
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You're pretty close.

Try and follow along. While people are content living at different materialistic levels no one wants to suffer. No one is going to say, "I prefer to have a toothache than go to work for a day and earn money to pay a dentist." Should a person say such a thing it's reasonable to conclude they are not mentally healthy. They are ill.

I do not suggest just giving them money. I say we should help them.
 
AssHatZombie said:
That doesn't mean it has to be ordered that we are so dependant on singular resource supply grid that is controlled by corporations, or governments. no difference there. We could make it policy that all people learn agriculture.

Think of the gas we would save not having to ship stuff all round. Decentralized production prevents the single points of failure which occur in a more hiearchical and externally controlled structure. Self reliance makes sense as a plan for society.
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So where do we draw the line? We need housing so do we all learn how to build a house? What about clothes? Do we all keep sheep for wool sweaters?

Baaaa, I say.
 
apple0154 said:
You're pretty close.

Try and follow along. While people are content living at different materialistic levels no one wants to suffer. No one is going to say, "I prefer to have a toothache than go to work for a day and earn money to pay a dentist." Should a person say such a thing it's reasonable to conclude they are not mentally healthy. They are ill.

I do not suggest just giving them money. I say we should help them.
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And your logic is taking money from those who have earned it and giving it to those who haven't.

Notice the key word here, is EARNED.
 
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