Please take a moment today….

[EdwinA]

About one third of Vietnam veterans were drafted.

More rubbish. You didn't many real vets, as is already obvious. 75% were volunteers, some 25% draftees, and over 80% wanted to win, mot sulk and cry like you and your peers do.

Of the other two thirds, many were trying to get a better position by enlisting before being drafted. Others wanted the benefits that came along with being a veteran. And still others wanted to fight in the war.

When they got to Vietnam, they were in a war. Everyone I know who is a war veteran found the experience unpleasant to say the least. Most Vietnam veterans were happy to leave Vietnam, and continue on with their lives.

lol who said they wanted to move there and live there? More irrelevant rubbish. After 1968, the South was a lot safer.by the 1970's officals could drive around in marked cars without being attacked, and the ARVN were successful in shutting down NVA incursions, assassinations of village leaders, and less than 500 Communist operatives operated in Saigon, the NLF as a force having evaporated in in 1968 in their failed offensive.

How many soldiers wanted to stay in France or Germany after their tours?

more gibbering and fake anecdotal nonsense.

 

[EdwinA]

Correct.

That's the thing. South Vietnam was a dead man walking as soon as the ink dried on Nixon's 1973 surrender treaty.

That's why nobody puts the blame on Gerald Ford for the fall of Saigon in 1975.

As soon as Tbird mentioned Nixon it was plain as day he wasn't talking about 1975.

Rubbish.

As Tbird babbled about Nixon it was plain as day he's a blithering idiot who didn't know who was in office and like you just parroting a fake narrative like a good little puppet.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

But not the war in Vietnam which began under DEMOCRAT leadership that had light years more dead or disabled US troops come out of it only to give it up in the end. Instead your pick is Iraq huh? Figures......How stupid.

It took Tricky Dick to get us the fuck out of there. These morons don't like real history so they make up their own.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Dying in Vietnam turned out to be really dumb.

 

[EdwinA]

And again, it was left wing Democrats who abandoned Viet Nam and most vets were angered by that.

And no matter how any halfwits keep claiming it, Nixon was not President the year it was abandoned, a simple historical fact some morons want to cover up for in their idiocy.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You know who I feel for? The old people who were injured in NAM and are bright enough to figure out what their country did to them.

That must really hurt.

 

[Walt]

How many soldiers wanted to stay in France or Germany after their tours?

After WWII, there have not been many US soldiers stationed in France.

But, most US soldiers wanted to come back from even peace time tours in Europe. There were some who really loved the culture, and stayed behind. They were able to, because there has not been a war in NATO countries in Europe in 80 years.

 

[EdwinA]

It took Tricky Dick to get us the fuck out of there. These morons don't like real history so they make up their own.

Nixon merely copied LBJ's policies.

LBJ did make a wrong assessment of what Red China's response would have been had he invaded the North. He was certain they would send their armies in to defend the North. Later evidence showed they had sent word to the NVA that they should head for the mountains and resist from there, as they would not send troops to defend the North. So, in hindsight we know he could have, but it was not at all clear at the time.

 

[EdwinA]

After WWII, there have not been many US soldiers stationed in France.

But, most US soldiers wanted to come back from even peace time tours in Europe. There were some who really loved the culture, and stayed behind. They were able to, because there has not been a war in NATO countries in Europe in 80 years.

So? There were a lot there in WW II. You of course have to make stupid altered points and avoid the one posted.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Nixon merely copied LBJ's policies.

LBJ did make a wrong assessment of what Red China's response would have been had he invaded the North. He was certain they would send their armies in to defend the North. Later evidence showed they had sent word to the NVA that they should head for the mountains and resist from there, as they would not send troops to defend the North. So, in hindsight we know he could have, but it was not at all clear at the time.

America, which loses all of its wars, always has an excuse ready.

 

[EdwinA]

You know who I feel for? The old people who were injured in NAM and are bright enough to figure out what their country did to them.

That must really hurt.

lol no you don't, you just shit on them like all lefties and only cry fake tears on them when they serve some commie talking point, like every other left winger here.

 

[EdwinA]

America, which loses all of its wars, always has an excuse ready.

All you ever have is commie spin and rubbish.

 

[Walt]

War veterans slipping into history. Just something to think about:

There are no WWI veterans still alive. WWII veterans are almost all over 98 years old. Korean War veterans are almost all over 91 years old. Even Vietnam veterans are almost all over 71.

 

[EdwinA]

War veterans slipping into history. Just something to think about:

There are no WWI veterans still alive. WWII veterans are almost all over 98 years old. Korean War veterans are almost all over 91 years old. Even Vietnam veterans are almost all over 71.

And you leftists will see that as an opportunity to lie and make up crap. So what's new? You've already been feeding fake history to all school students at all grade levels for decades now. Both Parties now revel in fake historical rubbish in their propaganda campaigns.

 

[EdwinA]

The death tolls from driving over the same time period of the Viet Nam war dwarfs the casualties of the war itself, so the highways here were covered in blood as well. 49,000 in 1965 alone.

 

[Walt]

There were a lot there in WW II.

Actually, after the World Wars, huge numbers of American veterans moved to Europe. And even more Europeans moved to the USA. There were many intermarriages. The Americans living in Paris after WWI are famous, but it happened after WWII.

The war in Europe mostly ended after the World Wars, so it was different. The one exception I can think of off the top of my head was the creator of King Kong, Merian C Cooper, decided to join the Polish Air Force in their post-WWI war against the Soviets. He was captured by the Soviets who did not groom themselves as much as 1920's Americans did. They did not shave, and had wild hair. Later, after he returned to NYC, he had dreams of a giant gorilla attacking NYC, and being attacked in turn by planes... So basically reliving his second war.

 

[Walt]

And you leftists will see that as an opportunity to lie and make up crap. So what's new? You've already been feeding fake history to all school students at all grade levels for decades now. Both Parties now revel in fake historical rubbish in their propaganda campaigns.

You are an angry little person.

 

[EdwinA]

Actually, after the World Wars, huge numbers of American veterans moved to Europe. And even more Europeans moved to the USA. There were many intermarriages. The Americans living in Paris after WWI are famous, but it happened after WWII.

The war in Europe mostly ended after the World Wars, so it was different. The one exception I can think of off the top of my head was the creator of King Kong, Merian C Cooper, decided to join the Polish Air Force in their post-WWI war against the Soviets. He was captured by the Soviets who did not groom themselves as much as 1920's Americans did. They did not shave, and had wild hair. Later, after he returned to NYC, he had dreams of a giant gorilla attacking NYC, and being attacked in turn by planes... So basically reliving his second war.

Actually nobody said otherwise. The vast majority came back, and nothing you pull out of your ass will ever change that fact.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

About one third of Vietnam veterans were drafted. Of the other two thirds, many were trying to get a better position by enlisting before being drafted....

More rubbish. You didn't many real vets, as is already obvious. 75% were volunteers, some 25% draftees, and over 80% wanted to win, mot sulk and cry like you and your peers do.

LOL More proof that hanging out with drunken rapists impairs Ms. Edwina's mind.

Some clarification on stats using an actual reference, not just pulling numbers out of one's ass. Note that 25% of draftees in country were draftees and they accounted for 30% of the deaths. 38% of draftees served in Vietnam.

FACT VS FICTION.....THE VIETNAM VETERAN

Facts about the Vietnam Veteran. Who served in Vietnam. people in service in the Vietnam War

www.vvof.org

Draftees vs. Volunteers:

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.)

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservists killed: 5,977.

National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.

Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344.

Actually served in Vietnam: 38%

Marine Corps draft: 42,633.

Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

Race and Ethnic Background

88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.

86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics);

12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races.

170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.

70% of enlisted men killed were of Northwest European descent.

86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.

14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.

34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.

Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

Religion of Dead:

Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none --6.7%.

Socio-Economic Status

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.

Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.

Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.

79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service.
(63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.)

Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South-31; West-29.9; Midwest-28.4; Northeast-23.5.

Winning & Losing

82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.

Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

Honorable Service

97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.

91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.

66% of Vietnam vets say they would serve again if called upon.

87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem.