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[Tbird19482]

Fucking idiot. Nixon wasn't in office in 1975, you blithering simpleton.

Did I say he was you BLITHERING SIMPLETON ?
He was reelected in 1972 and would have still been in office if he hadn't resigned .
Anyways it was Nixon that held the Paris accords where we had to stop fighting and doing anything and the North didn't.
They were allowed to replenish get new troops put in place and more.
It was at those accords that Nixon turned his back n the south and walked away. leaving them on their own.
Have a nice day you "BLITHERING SIMPLETON "

 

[EdwinA]

Did I say he was you BLITHERING SIMPLETON ?
He was reelected in 1972 and would have still been in office if he hadn't resigned .
Anyways it was Nixon that held the Paris accords where we had to stop fighting and doing anything and the North didn't.
They were allowed to replenish get new troops put in place and more.
It was at those accords that Nixon turned his back n the south and walked away. leaving them on their own.
Have a nice day you "BLITHERING SIMPLETON "

Yes you did, you babbling loon. You're too stupid to pull off pretending you knew anything, gimp. The South was doing just fine and it wasn't Nixon who cut off aid, halfwit, it was your Democrat Watergate Babies who dumped them tard. You commie dipshits keep repeating fake history and you only fool other morons. Too late to throw in your Google Scholaring and cover up your flaming idiocy.

 

[EdwinA]

While the unwashed rubes, both left and right, fell for that nonsense, anyone with military, intelligence or geopolitical experience knew such claims were political hogwash.

1. Hussein's refusal to let his "palaces" be inspected called for a B-52 strike, not an invasion.
2. The US invading any Middle Eastern country without clear cause was certain to unite more Jihadists than gain their trust.
3. Only fucking morons believed the Iraqis would be so grateful at being liberated that they'd happily give Bush and his oil buddies all of their oil.

FWIW, anyone with military, intelligence or geopolitical experience knew it was only a matter of time before another major Jihadist attack happened on US soil. The idiots obviously didn't learn anything from the 1993 WTC bombing. While the audacity and effectiveness of the terrorist attack on 9/11 surprised many, including me, it wasn't a surprise that they wanted to kill us. This had been happening for years outside the US.

What did surprise me is that so many Americans turned into wimps and lived in fear after 9/11. So much fear that they happily supported the Patriot Act and spit on American Sikhs thinking they were "A-rabs". There was the usual "tie a yellow ribbon" bullshit when we sent our troops to Afghanistan, but most Americans were happy to let it be someone else's son, father or brother.

IMO, the worst thing we did for our nation was eliminate the draft. Fix it to make it more equitable? Sure. Allow a non-military option? Sure. Get rid of it completely? We end up with draft-dodgers and chickenhawks in the White House and Congress.

lol you still trying to convince people you know a lot of military stuff? That's funny.

It was not pointless. The Brits and Bush divided up the oil. https://independentaustralia.net/po...-troops-to-iraq-for-bps-share-of-its-oil,3349

And kept Iran from ending up another Soviet puppet state, which is why the Mullahs supported the Shah and the defeat of the commie candidate and puppet. You vermin were happy with the Soviets occupying the whole country instead of just half of it.

 

[Tbird19482]

Yes you did, you babbling loon. You're too stupid to pull off pretending you knew anything, gimp. The South was doing just fine and it wasn't Nixon who cut off aid, halfwit, it was your Democrat Watergate Babies who dumped them tard. You commie dipshits keep repeating fake history and you only fool other morons. Too late to throw in your Google Scholaring and cover up your flaming idiocy.

YOU are a fucking liar I never said he was President in 75 IF you think i did POST IT.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

lol you still trying to convince people you know a lot of military stuff? That's funny.

Dear Ms. Edwina, the intelligent people can read my posts and decide for themselves. The dummies, drunks and MAGA morons will judge me without reading much less understanding. It explains why they and you can't discuss the issue and simply troll after several drinks.

If you want to get molested after you pass out, I know an ex-dentist who'd do it for ya!

 

[Cypress]

YOU are a fucking liar I never said he was President in 75 IF you think i did POST IT.

Nixon negotiated a treaty In 1973 - effectively a surrender - with North Vietnam which allowed them to keep their soldiers in the parts of South Vietnam they already occupied, and everyone knew this treaty was very favorable to the communist North, and that they most likely wouldn't stick to it. The treaty was a gimmick to allow the USA to withdraw with honor.

That's what I thought you were talking about. I didn't think you were talking about 1975.

 

[Tbird19482]

Nixon negotiated a treaty In 1973 - effectively a surrender - with North Vietnam which allowed them to keep their soldiers in the parts of South Vietnam they already occupied, and everyone knew this treaty was very favorable to the communist North, and that they most likely wouldn't stick to it. The treaty was a gimmick to allow the USA to withdraw with honor.

That's what I thought you were talking about. I didn't think you were talking about 1975.

I wasn't talking about 75 , I never said a word about 75.
And yes Nixon did give them a lot and walked away from the south,
And looking back at it now it looks like things turned out okay , Nam is a very big tourist place now and doing well.
But all this has still left a bad taste in the mouths of the people that had to do there and fight and die.

 

[Cypress]

I wasn't talking about 75 , I never said a word about 75.
And yes Nixon did give them a lot and walked away from the south,
And looking back at it now it looks like things turned out okay , Nam is a very big tourist place now and doing well.
But all this has still left a bad taste in the mouths of the people that had to do there and fight and die.

Yes, to me it was blatantly obvious you were talking about Nixon's 1973 surrender treaty.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

YOU are a fucking liar I never said he was President in 75 IF you think i did POST IT.

Ms. Edwina imbibes a lot. It's easy to watch how her style changes as the day progresses.

That said, if a drunk really believes something, even if it's false, is she really lying or simply delusional? Hmmmmm......

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I wasn't talking about 75 , I never said a word about 75.
And yes Nixon did give them a lot and walked away from the south,
And looking back at it now it looks like things turned out okay , Nam is a very big tourist place now and doing well.
But all this has still left a bad taste in the mouths of the people that had to do there and fight and die.

Yes, to me it was blatantly obvious you were talking about Nixon's 1973 surrender treaty.

I went back through the conversation and didn't see 1975 referenced by either of you. IMO, maybe too much liquor and nitrous oxide has addled Ms. Edwina's brain and she's thinking about the official end of the Vietnam War in 1975, not the 1973 surrender treaty which removed most US support.

Vietnam War | Facts, Summary, Years, Timeline, Casualties, Combatants, & Facts | Britannica

The Vietnam War (1954–75) was a conflict that pitted the communist government of North Vietnam and its allies in South Vietnam, the Viet Cong, against South Vietnam and its principal ally, the United States. It was part of a larger regional conflict as well as a manifestation of the Cold War.

www.britannica.com

Vietnam War, (1954–75), a protracted conflict that pitted the communist government of North Vietnam and its allies in South Vietnam, known as the Viet Cong, against the government of South Vietnam and its principal ally, the United States....

...In 1975 South Vietnam fell to a full-scale invasion by the North.

 

[Cypress]

I went back through the conversation and didn't see 1975 referenced by either of you. IMO, maybe too much liquor and nitrous oxide has addled Ms. Edwina's brain and she's thinking about the official end of the Vietnam War in 1975, not the 1973 surrender treaty which removed most US support.

Vietnam War | Facts, Summary, Years, Timeline, Casualties, Combatants, & Facts | Britannica

The Vietnam War (1954–75) was a conflict that pitted the communist government of North Vietnam and its allies in South Vietnam, the Viet Cong, against South Vietnam and its principal ally, the United States. It was part of a larger regional conflict as well as a manifestation of the Cold War.

www.britannica.com

Vietnam War, (1954–75), a protracted conflict that pitted the communist government of North Vietnam and its allies in South Vietnam, known as the Viet Cong, against the government of South Vietnam and its principal ally, the United States....

...In 1975 South Vietnam fell to a full-scale invasion by the North.

Correct.

That's the thing. South Vietnam was a dead man walking as soon as the ink dried on Nixon's 1973 surrender treaty.

That's why nobody puts the blame on Gerald Ford for the fall of Saigon in 1975.

As soon as Tbird mentioned Nixon it was plain as day he wasn't talking about 1975.

 

[Tbird19482]

Correct.

That's the thing. South Vietnam was a dead man walking as soon as the ink dried on Nixon's 1973 surrender treaty.

That's why nobody puts the blame on Gerald Ford for the fall of Saigon in 1975.

As soon as Tbird mentioned Nixon it was plain as day he wasn't talking about 1975.

As I said Nixon was holding " peace talks " in Paris and we were forced to stand down and could not do anything and yet the Cong was resupplying , getting fresh people in place , it was a big drain on the confidence of our people in our leadership.
They put a lot of restrictions on our people and would not let us do our job , When you go into something like this you have to go into it to win not tie one hand of your fighters behind their backs and say go at it.
And then to come back and get treated the way they were was not right, and yes I know MAGA is going to blame that part on the left wing protesters, but I knew a lot of people that were right wingers also treating these people badly .

 

[Jarod]

They want to talk about Vietnam (ended 50 years ago) because Democrats were involved. They want to litigate if Johnson was a good leader or not. Although the liberals, who they hated and attacked are the ones who tried to end it.

They do NOT want to discuss IRAQ, because most of them are young enough to remember being fanatic disciples of Bush/Cheney.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They want to talk about Vietnam (ended 50 years ago) because Democrats were involved. They want to litigate if Johnson was a good leader or not. Although the liberals, who they hated and attacked are the ones who tried to end it.

They do NOT want to discuss IRAQ, because most of them are young enough to remember being fanatic disciples of Bush/Cheney.

Similarly, they always refer to the Democrats as Klansmen even though the Klan moved to the Republican Party in the late 1960s in response to LBJ's 1964 CRA and the Republican's Southern Strategy. Neither of which MAGAts want to discuss.

How the ‘Party of Lincoln’ Won Over the Once Democratic South | HISTORY

Democratic defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” started a switch to the Republican party in a movement that was later fueled by a so-called "Southern strategy."

www.history.com

The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”
It may seem a crude remark to make after such a momentous occasion, but it was also an accurate prediction.
To understand some of the reasons the South went from a largely Democratic region to a primarily Republican area today, just follow the decades of debate over racial issues in the United States.

 

[Cypress]

They want to talk about Vietnam (ended 50 years ago) because Democrats were involved. They want to litigate if Johnson was a good leader or not. Although the liberals, who they hated and attacked are the ones who tried to end it.

They do NOT want to discuss IRAQ, because most of them are young enough to remember being fanatic disciples of Bush/Cheney.

It wasn't that many years ago when right wingers were still saying we should have stayed in Vietnam and fought on to the 'final victory'.

It's only about six years ago that Trump and the right-wing started putting on tIe-dye shirts, stuck flowers in their hair, and pretended to be hippie peaceniks who never were responsible for promoting and cheering for war.

 

[Walt]

Your commie hero 'historian' Howard Zinn has been thoroughly and totally disgraced.

Zinn was eager to serve against the Nazis in WWII. He joined the Air Corp, becoming a bombardier. His job was to lay up in the nose of the plane, with no protection, while the plane made no attempt to dodge shrapnel. It was a brutally dangerous job.

trump says he had bone spurs...

Zinn also wrote a great history book, but that does not make him a hero. I know Edwina hates veterans who disagree with her politically, but is Memorial Day really the best time to say it?

 

[EdwinA]

Zinn was eager to serve against the Nazis in WWII. He joined the Air Corp, becoming a bombardier. His job was to lay up in the nose of the plane, with no protection, while the plane made no attempt to dodge shrapnel. It was a brutally dangerous job.

trump says he had bone spurs...

Zinn also wrote a great history book, but that does not make him a hero. I know Edwina hates veterans who disagree with her politically, but is Memorial Day really the best time to say it?

Zinn was a piece of shit Stalinist, which is why he's so popular today with Democrats.

82% of Viet Nam veterans were angry at not being allowed to win the war. So much for your fake crocodile tears over veterans'. Your smearing of vets by claiming they supported the Communists taking over Viet Nam is just pathetic lying, The Left, and now it's popular with right wingers too, has always smeared veterans, calling them baby killers and war criminals, so shove your 'hates veterans' rubbish back up your ass where it came from.

Zinn only wrote propaganda, pro-Stalinist rubbish that eventually led to millions of people being murdered. or made into refugees. No wonder you and your two but buddies love the piece of shit.

 

[Walt]

82% of Viet Nam veterans were angry at not being allowed to win the war.

The vast majority of Vietnam veterans I know were happy to go home. They did not want to stay longer. Of course, they could volunteer to stay longer, until the end of the war. Some did, but most did not.

Towards the end of the war, Nixon pulled out the troops, and no amount of volunteering would allow them to stay.

Your smearing of vets by claiming they supported the Communists taking over Viet Nam is just pathetic lying

I never said anything like that, but OK.

 

[EdwinA]

The vast majority of Vietnam veterans I know were happy to go home. They did not want to stay longer. Of course, they could volunteer to stay longer, until the end of the war. Some did, but most did not.

Towards the end of the war, Nixon pulled out the troops, and no amount of volunteering would allow them to stay.


I never said anything like that, but OK.

The vast majority of those in Viet Nam were volunteers , so right off the bat you admit you know few vets. Nixon forced the North to the peace talks by escalating the bombing of the North and his allegedly 'illegal' bombing of the most certainly illegal NVA depots and Ho Chi Min Trail. We pulled out because Tet crushed the Viet Cong and CORD was enjoying great success in the South, and we needed far fewer troops. You of course prefer Zinn's Stalinist rubbish, which has no basis in facts.

 

[Walt]

The vast majority of those in Viet Nam were volunteers

About one third of Vietnam veterans were drafted. Of the other two thirds, many were trying to get a better position by enlisting before being drafted. Others wanted the benefits that came along with being a veteran. And still others wanted to fight in the war.

When they got to Vietnam, they were in a war. Everyone I know who is a war veteran found the experience unpleasant to say the least. Most Vietnam veterans were happy to leave Vietnam, and continue on with their lives.

That being said, there were some who enjoyed the war, and wished to stay. At first they could volunteer to reenlist, but when Nixon pulled out US troops, that became impossible.