Police report slams killer of Trayvon Martin

[Damocles]

We don't have the ability to "hear" the dead kid's version of events, do we?

Yet it seems to be the only one that the media and the left want to believe is worth hearing.

Personally, I'm willing to wait for the result of the trial and make guesses as to the outcome based on current information. I don't think GZ will be convicted, but won't cry if he is. If he is, it will be because there is information that I do not have, as the information we do have is not enough to convict, IMO.

As I said, it is a tragedy. But you cannot throw GZ into prison solely because it is a tragedy.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Yet it seems to be the only one that the media and the left want to believe is worth hearing.

Then the media reports I've been seeing that said Zimmerman's case is bolstered by the police report and autopsy results should be discounted?

Personally, I'm willing to wait for the result of the trial and make guesses as to the outcome based on current information. I don't think GZ will be convicted, but won't cry if he is. If he is, it will be because there is information that I do not have, as the information we do have is not enough to convict, IMO.

Nice that you seem willing to allow the rule of law to proceed and will abide by the outcome. Your intellectual generosity seems boundless.

As I said, it is a tragedy. But you cannot throw GZ into prison solely because it is a tragedy.

Who said he should be thrown into prison because it's a tragedy?

 

[Damocles]

Then the media reports I've been seeing that said Zimmerman's case is bolstered by the police report and autopsy results should be discounted?

The rare report in favor of GZ is overwhelmed by the myriad reports against. I'd ask why you avoided the question as to what the "left" wants us to believe, but I think it is obvious.

Nice that you seem willing to allow the rule of law to proceed and will abide by the outcome. Your intellectual generosity seems boundless.

Yet others simply tell me how guilty he is without regard to the outcome or rule of law. What say you of their intellectual generosity?

Who said he should be thrown into prison because it's a tragedy?

You infer it with the question you asked and your consistent support for one outcome.

 

[Onceler]

This would have to necessarily ignore that he actually did fit the descriptions of the people who were burglarizing in that very neighborhood. I think that the past factored in, that is human, I just don't think it factored in unreasonably. Finding out where the dude was going isn't unreasonable in those circumstances.

Do you think Trayvon would necessarily have died had he not acted violently? I think his reaction was reasonable as well.

This is a tragedy, of that there is little doubt, but was it something we should demonize GZ over? I don't think he was acting due to racism, he was acting on information.

We have the ability to "hear" the conversation that Trayvon was participating in, GZ did not.

I agree with those who say that GZ has to accept responsibility for inviting what happened. If you're armed and you stalk someone, you open up all possibilities; I don't think he acted in a way that was reasonable or responsible.

That said, I don't think he set out intending to kill Martin, or anticipated anything that actually transpired. From the looks of it, he only used his weapon after he was getting beaten pretty bad in a fight. Like you said, it's a tragedy. My issue with GZ is that it is one that could have been avoided - he didn't need to pursue Martin, and in fact, was told not to.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

The rare report in favor of GZ is overwhelmed by the myriad reports against.

Can you substantiate that?

I just Googled "Zimmerman innocence" in News and got 8,670,000 results.

Googling "Zimmerman guilt" got 919,000 results.

Of course, I'm a rank amateur in SEO and such, compared to you.

I'd ask why you avoided the question as to what the "left" wants us to believe, but I think it is obvious.

Is it? How's that?

Yet others simply tell me how guilty he is without regard to the outcome or rule of law. What say you of their intellectual generosity?

To those unnamed "others', I would say "there's only one Damocles".

You infer it with the question you asked and your consistent support for one outcome.

I do? What outcome is that?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

The way Zimmerman did it, in many states it would be assault or menacing.

How so?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

The police department has released audio recordings from six of the most recent calls, but the audio of calls older than six months is destroyed, according to the Seminole County sheriff’s office.

From the OP linked article.

Which has what to do with my question?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

the stand your ground law may well work to martins advantage in this case.

How so, when according to all evidence he ran away and then returned to confront Zimmerman?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Absent any evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims, I doubt it. I'm betting Zimmerman walks.

The whole tragedy could have been avoided if Vigilante George had controlled his Clint Eastwood fantasy, as the OP says.

The whole tragedy could have been avoided if Delinquent Martin had controlled his Crips Thug fantasy, as the evidence shows.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You cannot create the altercation and then benefit from a claim of self defense. Martin was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman confronted him.

And Zimmerman was doing nothing wrong in reporting a suspicious character, trying to see where he had fled, and then returning to his car to MEET THE COPS, when Martin confronted him and then assaulted him.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No, but when he is patcher asks you to not persue, as a trained neighborhood watch person, you think you would comply.

He did.
All of the Zimmerman lynch squad have casually ignored the fact that he was told he didn't have to do that, AFTER HE WAS ALREADY OUT OF THE CAR, and that according to all available evidence, he was returning to his car, AFTER BEING TOLD THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Which still would not make it illegal.

IMO, this case seems more of a clash between two people's "stand your ground" rights than it is a deliberate attempt to kill Trayvon.

I am not ready to say that Zimmerman will not be convicted, maybe he will be. However, from what I have seen I don't think he will be. It isn't illegal to do something that a dispatcher simply says they "don't need you to do that". It doesn't make it illegal, nor will it.

I had an incident in my neighborhood, a month or so ago, where a couple were walking at night and arguing, with the guy being really loud and verbally abusive.
They were initially standing on the corner, when I called 911 (because I thought the guy was going to get physical); but they then started walking around the corner.
I was on the phone with 911 when they started waliking away and when he dispatcher asked if I couild still see them, I said no, but to wait just a minute.
I walked down to the corner and then reported which direction they were walking and that I could now see them again.
I guess I was stalking them.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I agree with those who say that GZ has to accept responsibility for inviting what happened. If you're armed and you stalk someone, you open up all possibilities; I don't think he acted in a way that was reasonable or responsible.

That said, I don't think he set out intending to kill Martin, or anticipated anything that actually transpired. From the looks of it, he only used his weapon after he was getting beaten pretty bad in a fight. Like you said, it's a tragedy. My issue with GZ is that it is one that could have been avoided - he didn't need to pursue Martin, and in fact, was told not to.

Was told to, after he was already following Martin.
Why is everyone so bent on making it look like he was told this, berfore he started following Martin.
OH-WAIT; it's probably because it makes the rest of their argument look better.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

And Zimmerman was ...returning to his car to MEET THE COPS, when Martin confronted him and then assaulted him.

Cite the source for this assertion, will you?

 

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