police video does not show zimmerman with injuries

Taichiliberal said:
You need to learn how to read carefully and comprehensively, chuckles. I have NOT convicted Zimmerman, I have merely presented FACTS that does NOT jibe with the Fox Noise and right wing punditry mantras that are trying absolve Zimmerman of all wrong doing.

You need to be arrested, booked, questioned, talk to an attornery, be brought before a judge, etc., etc., before a "conviction". Given the current evidence, there seems to be an effort by various local authorities to AVOID even arresting Zimmerman.

Deal with it.
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oh, so you think zimmerman is innocent....?
 
Don:
You said that Martin's tox report came back and it was clean.

I did a search, looking for the tox report, and everything showed that it hadn't been released yet.

Could you provide a link?
 
none said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You need to learn how to read carefully and comprehensively, chuckles. I have NOT convicted Zimmerman, I have merely presented FACTS that does NOT jibe with the Fox Noise and right wing punditry mantras that are trying absolve Zimmerman of all wrong doing.

You need to be arrested, booked, questioned, talk to an attornery, be brought before a judge, etc., etc., before a "conviction". Given the current evidence, there seems to be an effort by various local authorities to AVOID even arresting Zimmerman.
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Deal with it.


oh, so you think zimmerman is innocent....?
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I agree with the chief detective, who wanted to arrest Zimmerman based on the EVIDENCE! As to whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and to what degree would be determined AFTER a proper questioning and collecting of foresnic evidence and investigation.....all of which was not done (and to a agree prevented) by the local cops.

My previous statement stands, as does the mounting evidence. Deal with it.
 
Taichiliberal said:
I agree with the chief detective, who wanted to arrest Zimmerman based on the EVIDENCE! As to whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and to what degree would be determined AFTER a proper questioning and collecting of foresnic evidence and investigation.....all of which was not done (and to a agree prevented) by the local cops.

My previous statement stands, as does the mounting evidence. Deal with it.
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your grasp of the facts is wrong. the local cops wanted to investigate him, you even admit this. it was the state attorney's office who declined.

what do you mean deal with it? i am dealing with it, you, however, are not and clearly have made up your mind based on erroneous facts.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
FACT: Neighborhood Watch groups are NOT to carry guns. So again the question remain as to why Zimmerman was not booked for this violation. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...9.story?page=1
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from the article you linked: "Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons — though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit."

so what violation occurred? it appears your fact checking needs some work.

YOU need to THINK beyond excerpts, STY. Was Zimmerman “on-duty” as a Watch volunteer, or was he just a guy walking around the neighborhood? If the former, then he was doing something that was AGAINST the rules….if the latter, then he was STILL in violation of disregarding a 911 dispatch instruction NOT TO FOLLOW Martin, and thus acting like a vigilante. You can’t have it both ways, but since the local police were PREVENTED in arresting Zimmerman BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, these little Catch-22 questions will go unanswered.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
FACT: Zimmerman was arrested for a confrontation with a cop (non-violent) and did community service time to expunge that record. He also was instructed by a judge to stay away from his ex-girlfriend (and visa versa) after an altercation that landed them before the court. Why was this man issued a CCWP?
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since there was only an arrest, not a conviction, and no mention of any restraining order or order of protection, there was nothing preventing the holding or issuance of a ccwp.


TWO ARRESTS are on record…..both involving temperment issues. Not exactly a sterling record when asking to carry around a gun. I would like to know what Zimmerman does that is so important that he needs a CCWP?

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
FACT: The lead detective wanted to book Zimmerman for manslaughter based on the evidence, but was counter-manded by the State Attorney. How do you determine the outcome of a trial BEFORE an investigation has gotten fully started? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...atal-shooting/
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are you a prosecutor? we already know you know jack shit about the law, so how do you now presume to be able to tell the prosecutor how to do his job?

Riddle me this, my willfully ignorant neocon parrot… why would Wolfinger, the State Attorney who overrode Det. Serino (despite his filing an affidavit) REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THE CASE AFTER HE PREVENTS ZIMMERMAN FROM BEING ARRESTED?

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
More to follow.
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yay, more humor.
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If you’re referring to the gems from our resident Oather/Threeper clown who thinks he’s Smarter Than Everyone? Yeah, his posts are to laugh!
 
none said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I agree with the chief detective, who wanted to arrest Zimmerman based on the EVIDENCE! As to whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and to what degree would be determined AFTER a proper questioning and collecting of foresnic evidence and investigation.....all of which was not done (and to a agree prevented) by the local cops.

My previous statement stands, as does the mounting evidence. Deal with it.
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your grasp of the facts is wrong. the local cops wanted to investigate him, you even admit this. it was the state attorney's office who declined.

Are you drunk? If not, get an adult to read to you what I previously posted, as YOU have just REPEATED my point.
what do you mean deal with it? i am dealing with it, you, however, are not and clearly have made up your mind based on erroneous facts.
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Again, are you drinking? Please copy and paste the sentence or paragraph where I state in no uncertain terms what you accuse me of. If you can't, then don't waste everyone time with the usual neocon stalling tactics.
 
just a question as to zimmerman's state of mind

why did he say 'these assholes always get away'

sounds like a personal problem or a personal experience...or not, but it would be nice to know
 
Taichiliberal said:
YOU need to THINK beyond excerpts, STY. Was Zimmerman “on-duty” as a Watch volunteer, or was he just a guy walking around the neighborhood? If the former, then he was doing something that was AGAINST the rules….if the latter, then he was STILL in violation of disregarding a 911 dispatch instruction NOT TO FOLLOW Martin, and thus acting like a vigilante. You can’t have it both ways, but since the local police were PREVENTED in arresting Zimmerman BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, these little Catch-22 questions will go unanswered.
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and you need to THINK period. violating 'rules' is not the same as violating 'laws', so you're notion of wondering why he wasn't charged with the gun crime is stupid on it's face. a dispatcher did not instruct him NOT TO FOLLOW, he simply said 'we don't need you to do that'. that is an advisory, not a lawful order. you need to be able to distinguish between little things like this is you wish to talk legalese with the big boys.

Taichiliberal said:
TWO ARRESTS are on record…..both involving temperment issues. Not exactly a sterling record when asking to carry around a gun. I would like to know what Zimmerman does that is so important that he needs a CCWP?
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I don't know what totalitarian state you live in, but Florida is what they call a 'shall issue' state, meaning that as long as he doesn't have any of the prohibitive restrictions, the state cannot deny him a ccwp. Florida is like this because in 87 they prohibited open carry, which would have gotten them a lawsuit for violating the 2nd Amendment.

Taichiliberal said:
Riddle me this, my willfully ignorant neocon parrot… why would Wolfinger, the State Attorney who overrode Det. Serino (despite his filing an affidavit) REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THE CASE AFTER HE PREVENTS ZIMMERMAN FROM BEING ARRESTED?
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it's called political CYA. the national outrage from idiots who don't like the law when it doesn't suit them prompted the state attorney to remove himself. and FYI, zimmerman was arrested at the scene and even transported to the police station in cuffs, under arrest, but wasn't charged. details matter and it seems you have them all wrong.
 
Don Quixote said:
i do not drink coffee

i am concluding my participation in this fruitless tit for tat

while the fear consuming me right now is exceptional, what is your excuse for being an ass, is it your natural state?
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He is conducting an experiment, according to his remarks on another thread. I think it is one where he is being the ultimate ass to get a rise out of all the "liberals"
 
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Rana said:
He is conducting an experiment, according to his remarks on another thread. I think it is one where he is being the ultimate ass to get a rise out of all the "liberals"
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Gee...and I thought he was just being the same old douchebag USF...my bad!
 
Rana said:
He is conducting an experiment, according to his remarks on another thread. I think it is one where he is being the ultimate ass to get a rise out of all the "liberals"
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I'm doing nothing more then what the left is doing.
Instead of taking everything at face value, I'm bringing up counter points to every conjecture that they want to paint Zimmerman with.
Why is it ok to drag Zimmerman through the mud, when it's all speculation; but not to villify Martin?

Doesn't the old adage of "What's good for the Goose, is good for the Gander" appropriate?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I'm doing nothing more then what the left is doing.
Instead of taking everything at face value, I'm bringing up counter points to every conjecture that they want to paint Zimmerman with.
Why is it ok to drag Zimmerman through the mud, when it's all speculation; but not to villify Martin?

Doesn't the old adage of "What's good for the Goose, is good for the Gander" appropriate?
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This story would've long since been buried had it been Martin who came out on top. We'd simply be putting out some other political fire started by Democrats.
 
Granule said:
This story would've long since been buried had it been Martin who came out on top. We'd simply be putting out some other political fire started by Democrats.
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Not likely. The blogosphere would have been in an uproar bitching about how a black guy got away with murder.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
YOU need to THINK beyond excerpts, STY. Was Zimmerman “on-duty” as a Watch volunteer, or was he just a guy walking around the neighborhood? If the former, then he was doing something that was AGAINST the rules….if the latter, then he was STILL in violation of disregarding a 911 dispatch instruction NOT TO FOLLOW Martin, and thus acting like a vigilante. You can’t have it both ways, but since the local police were PREVENTED in arresting Zimmerman BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, these little Catch-22 questions will go unanswered.
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and you need to THINK period. violating 'rules' is not the same as violating 'laws', so you're notion of wondering why he wasn't charged with the gun crime is stupid on it's face. a dispatcher did not instruct him NOT TO FOLLOW, he simply said 'we don't need you to do that'. that is an advisory, not a lawful order. you need to be able to distinguish between little things like this is you wish to talk legalese with the big boys.


STY has bent over backwards to defend Zimmerman and put his head up his own ass. Let me deconstruct his BS: Because the dispatch did not say “you are ordered by law enforcement not to follow”, STY says that essentially gave Zimmerman the option to continue to follow Martin. This is a typical game apologist like STY like to play whenever they’re caught doing wrong. Suddenly, they have the mental comprehension skills of a 5th grader…..unless you S-P-E-L-L it out for them, they literally just follow what you say. But the transcript of the conversation tells a different story, as the dispatch told Zimmerman that the cops were on the way, and when the dispatch told Zimmerman “We don’t need you to do that”, Zimmerman replied, “Okay”. So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit, Zimmerman decides to continue DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin. And again, if you violate the rules that allows your organization to function with law enforcement’s sanction, you are in violation of a law. Period. Again, was Zimmerman acting in the capacity of a Neighborhood Watch or just a “private citizen? A “Catch-22” that’s up in the air due to the lousy police work and intervention by the State Attorney.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
TWO ARRESTS are on record…..both involving temperment issues. Not exactly a sterling record when asking to carry around a gun. I would like to know what Zimmerman does that is so important that he needs a CCWP?
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I don't know what totalitarian state you live in, but Florida is what they call a 'shall issue' state, meaning that as long as he doesn't have any of the prohibitive restrictions, the state cannot deny him a ccwp. Florida is like this because in 87 they prohibited open carry, which would have gotten them a lawsuit for violating the 2nd Amendment.

Here, let me dumb it down for you: HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO GIVE A CCWP TO A GUY WITH TWO COUNTS OF TEMPERMENT RELATED ISSUES THAT BROUGHT HIM BEFORE THE COURTS? So any schumck can get a gun in Florida so long as he does “community service” for resisting arrest and coming close enough to beating his girlfriend that the judge orders them to stay away from each other? Jeezus!

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Riddle me this, my willfully ignorant neocon parrot… why would Wolfinger, the State Attorney who overrode Det. Serino (despite his filing an affidavit) REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THE CASE AFTER HE PREVENTS ZIMMERMAN FROM BEING ARRESTED?
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it's called political CYA. the national outrage from idiots who don't like the law when it doesn't suit them prompted the state attorney to remove himself. and FYI, zimmerman was arrested at the scene and even transported to the police station in cuffs, under arrest, but wasn't charged. details matter and it seems you have them all wrong.
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We know Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, you neocon blowhard…THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF PUBLIC OUTRAGE! There was enough preliminary evidence TO ARREST HIM, but Wolfinger (who’s connected to Zimmerman Sr.) prevented such.

But inadvertently you make my point, STY….Wolfinger is playing CORRUPT POLITICS, with ALL the dirty little back-slapping dealings that entails. POLITICS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO DICTATE AN INVESTIGATION OF THE FACTS, MY FASCIST LEANING FOOL (who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else).The initial move to arrest by the chief detective was NOT about the “stand your ground law”, but about the EVIDENCE that showed Zimmerman’s story didn’t hold water. If what you surmise is true, then Wolfinger was acting NOT as a officer of the court seeking justice in a fatal shooting, but a politician seeking to prevent public outrage over some assinine NRA pushed law. And THAT, my intellectually bankrupt STY, justify’s public outrage over this case all the more, and puts YOU and your fellow parrots and pundits right in the crapper.

Back to minor leagues for ya, STY!
 
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