Poll: Majority of US for legal pot

patriot66 said:
oh so it was 1501 high school drop outs living in moms basement, who voted for obama got it!
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Yeah, some of them Republicans born before 1928.

Besides that, the people that voted for Romney are more safely ignored (since they were not enough to win) than the majority that voted for Obama. You do understand how these election things work, right?
 
I wonder if this issue will be simular to Gay Marriage. Will both parties nominate a Pro-Gay Marriage canidate in 16'? Will both parties nominate a pro-Legalization canidate in 16'?

Or will only one canidate jump ahead on the issue and collect some votes for the effort.
 
I don't like the way we separate medical marijuana from recreational use. To me it really smacks of the way many pro-choicers allow themselves to be put on the defensive by using the "well what about if she's raped? what if her life is in danger?" argument. I always say, what if she doesn't want a effing baby? You go down a shaky path when you start to make moral arguments because you are then conceding that this is a moral issue. It's not. What business is it of yours if someone wants to get high because it's fun? Society only takes an interest when they get behind the wheel of a car, this is the same as drinking, period.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me that I can go to any doctor, say I am stressed, or I am having insomnia and they will write me a script right there. Then I can go online and read that possible side effects "include but are not limited to: nausea, (they always start with nausea and hope you won't read any further) bone disintegration, suicidal thoughts, sudden onset brain hemorrhaging, swollen limbs, amputation, and in rare cases, spontaneous human combustion has been reported." I mean, WTF?

Or I can light up a joint, take three tokes, and go the eff to sleep without blood suddenly exploding out of my eyes and ears during the night.

Really, when you sit down and look at it? This whole entire system is a complete joke.
 
Consider perscription narcotic use....

Its the same idea, except big Pharma is making the money not Larry on the corner. You can buy some Herion on the street, or go to your local Doctor and get some Oxy's.

If its going to be legal, make it legal... if its going to be illegal, make it illegal. Dont make it legal if you buy it from person A, and illegal if you buy it from person B.
 
patriot66 said:
Yes your thinking is underwhelming! read what you type Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
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Funny coming from someone who keeps spouting that the people polled are all potheads living in mommies basement.

Legalization will happen within the next five years imo. The majority of the public is already behind doing so. It is blatantly retarded to put people in jail for something that is far less harmful than alcohol.
 
Darla said:
I don't like the way we separate medical marijuana from recreational use. To me it really smacks of the way many pro-choicers allow themselves to be put on the defensive by using the "well what about if she's raped? what if her life is in danger?" argument. I always say, what if she doesn't want a effing baby? You go down a shaky path when you start to make moral arguments because you are then conceding that this is a moral issue. It's not. What business is it of yours if someone wants to get high because it's fun? Society only takes an interest when they get behind the wheel of a car, this is the same as drinking, period.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me that I can go to any doctor, say I am stressed, or I am having insomnia and they will write me a script right there. Then I can go online and read that possible side effects "include but are not limited to: nausea, (they always start with nausea and hope you won't read any further) bone disintegration, suicidal thoughts, sudden onset brain hemorrhaging, swollen limbs, amputation, and in rare cases, spontaneous human combustion has been reported." I mean, WTF?

Or I can light up a joint, take three tokes, and go the eff to sleep without blood suddenly exploding out of my eyes and ears during the night.

Really, when you sit down and look at it? This whole entire system is a complete joke.
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Then she should not have got effing pregnant, we know what causes that baby killer.
 
Sea Bird said:
I doubt it. Legalization is bad for the tobacco industry.
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I don't see how that is as they are a natural fit to move into the market. Marijuana is not a competitor to tobacco but moreso to alcohol. The major sectors that might feel some sting are corrections, police and those in the justice system.

But I don't buy that it is primarily driven by money. Legalization has been stopped by the fact that not many favored it or cared.
 
Superfreak said:
and the Dems aren't? More busts under Obama in four years than Bush in 8... tell us again how it is 'Republicans'??? It is both parties.
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In general, the Democrats are more likely to support legalization than the Republicans. This is due to the ties to the Religous Right and the Social Conservatives. Both Parties are on the wrong side of this issue, its just that the Democrats are more likely to move and we have more members who are for legalization.

Jerry Brown for example, and if you look at who voted for legalization in Colorado... you will see that they were also MUCH more likely to have voted for President Obama over Mitt Romney.
 
Darla said:
I don't like the way we separate medical marijuana from recreational use. To me it really smacks of the way many pro-choicers allow themselves to be put on the defensive by using the "well what about if she's raped? what if her life is in danger?" argument. I always say, what if she doesn't want a effing baby? You go down a shaky path when you start to make moral arguments because you are then conceding that this is a moral issue. It's not. What business is it of yours if someone wants to get high because it's fun? Society only takes an interest when they get behind the wheel of a car, this is the same as drinking, period.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me that I can go to any doctor, say I am stressed, or I am having insomnia and they will write me a script right there. Then I can go online and read that possible side effects "include but are not limited to: nausea, (they always start with nausea and hope you won't read any further) bone disintegration, suicidal thoughts, sudden onset brain hemorrhaging, swollen limbs, amputation, and in rare cases, spontaneous human combustion has been reported." I mean, WTF?

Or I can light up a joint, take three tokes, and go the eff to sleep without blood suddenly exploding out of my eyes and ears during the night.

Really, when you sit down and look at it? This whole entire system is a complete joke.
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That's really what it comes down to, when you think about it. What business is it of anyone else's if someone wants to get high just for fun? Anyone who tries to make the argument that pot incites dangerous behavior deserves ridicule.

And I couldn't agree more about some of the current "legal" methods of treating problems like insomnia. The side effects are ridiculous, and for anyone who doesn't want to deal with them, it's a hell of a lot more dangerous to have someoe who hasn't slept well out on the road that it would be to just prescribe him/her marijuana so they could get a good night's sleep.

It all makes way too much sense; I guess it's the gov't's job to consistently take the nonsensical position on things.
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
Do you have any counter argument or evidence? If not than you can be dismissed entirely.
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http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

Health_Concerns: WHAT ARE THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE?

I must preface these statements with the remark that there is still a great deal of research to be done concerning the effects of marijuana on the health of humans due to the fact that widespread marijuana use has only become prevalent in this country within the last three decades, so the effects of long-term use are just beginning to become apparent. I should also add that in making these observations, I have concentrated on the risks of smoking natural marijuana, since it is the most effective method of ingesting its active cannabinoids.

Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user�s health than marijuana. In addition, the celebrated pharmacological properties of cannabis have led thirty-six states to permit its use as a therapeutic drug for, among others, those suffering from AIDS; various painful, incurable and debilitating illnesses; the harmful side effects of cancer chemotherapy, and glaucoma. Additional research is being conducted concerning the use of marijuana on the treatment of anxiety and mental disorders.

Nonetheless, it would be fallacious to conclude that because the chemicals in marijuana have been found to present fewer dangers than some very harmful substances, the medical or recreational use of marijuana is perfectly safe. In a recreational context, marijuana has been shown to affect health, brain function, and memory. And in a medical context, marijuana is like any other powerful prescription drug: it has potentially dangerous side effects, and the decision to use it to treat patients must involve the same balancing test as the one required for chemotherapy or AZT: do the therapeutic effects of the drug outweigh its harmful effects? Though there are many more studies to be done on this issue, current data shows that the answer to this question may not always be "yes."



EFFECTS OF HABITUAL MARIJUANA USE ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM

The most potent argument against the use of marijuana to treat medical disorders is that marijuana may cause the acceleration or aggravation of the very disorders it is being used to treat.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker�s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi�s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."

In conclusion, it seems that the potential dangers presented by the medical use of marijuana may actually contribute to the dangers of the diseases which it would be used to combat. Therefore, I suggest that marijuana should not be permitted as a therapy, at least until a good deal more conclusive research has been completed concerning its debilitating effect on the immune system.

For more on this topic, please see Donald P. Tashkin, M.D., "Effects of Marijuana on the Lung and Its Immune Defenses," Secretary's Youth Substance Abuse Prevention Intiative: Resource Papers, March 1997, Center for Substance Abuse Prevention. Pages 33-51 of this address can be found at the website of the Indiana Prevention Resource Center at Indiana University, located at http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/druginfo/tashkin- marijuana.html.



RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES

The main respiratory consequences of smoking marijuana regularly (one joint a day) are pulmonary infections and respiratory cancer, whose connection to marijuana use has been strongly suggested but not conclusively proven. The effects also include chronic bronchitis, impairment in the function of the smaller air passages, inflammation of the lung, the development of potentially pre-cancerous abnormalities in the bronchial lining and lungs, and, as discussed, a reduction in the capabilities of many defensive mechanisms within the lungs.

Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes. It is notable that several reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and larynx. Thus, it appears that the use of marijuana as a medicine has the potential to further harm an already ill patient in the same way that taking up regular cigarette smoking would, particularly in light of the fact that those patients for whom marijuana is recommended are already poorly equipped to fight off these infections and diseases.

so while it deals with pain it may cause the disease to be harder to fight.
 
Jarod said:
In general, the Democrats are more likely to support legalization than the Republicans. This is due to the ties to the Religous Right and the Social Conservatives. Both Parties are on the wrong side of this issue, its just that the Democrats are more likely to move and we have more members who are for legalization.

Jerry Brown for example, and if you look at who voted for legalization in Colorado... you will see that they were also MUCH more likely to have voted for President Obama over Mitt Romney.
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In terms of populace, I agree with you. More Dems are in favor of legalization than Reps. In terms of state governments I would also agree. But on the national level... Dems like Clinton and Obama were both worse than Bush in terms of prosecution and using the DEA to hammer MJ growers/distributors/users
 
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