Powell on Iraq: U.S. Army 'about broken'
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klaatu
Fusionist
Powell had a hand in all this as well.... lets not forget his role ....
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
This is very similar to something the British Chief of Defence Staff said.
Iraq is breaking the British Army, and we need to concentrate on Afghanistan, where we can win and have a chance of positively affecting the result....
Iraq is breaking the British Army, and we need to concentrate on Afghanistan, where we can win and have a chance of positively affecting the result....
"FORMER US Secretary of State Colin Powell has said the United States is losing a "civil war" in Iraq and he is not persuaded that an increase in troops would reverse the situation. "
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"Mr Bush has rejected the conclusions of the Iraq Study Group and ... he has insisted that the violence in Iraq is not a civil war."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...war-says-powell/2006/12/18/1166290476738.html
Gee, I wonder who's word I'll take on this one?
I know I'm completely in the minority on this one, but we need to pull out ASAP. Can someone tell me exactly what they hope to achieve by staying there? Its a civil war. We're not even the main targets anymore and they've turned on each other. There is nothing to be gained by staying there besides securing an oil source.
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"Mr Bush has rejected the conclusions of the Iraq Study Group and ... he has insisted that the violence in Iraq is not a civil war."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...war-says-powell/2006/12/18/1166290476738.html
Gee, I wonder who's word I'll take on this one?
I know I'm completely in the minority on this one, but we need to pull out ASAP. Can someone tell me exactly what they hope to achieve by staying there? Its a civil war. We're not even the main targets anymore and they've turned on each other. There is nothing to be gained by staying there besides securing an oil source.
We don't even have clearly defined metrics for declaring a victory. What is this mysterious "job" Bush is talking about? And how will we know when its done? I'm almost afraid to ask that question because I'm sure Dixie or some other apologist will come back with some diatribe full of rhetoric centering on "freedom" and "democracy"
"What is this mysterious "job" Bush is talking about?"
Dixie said last summer "the job" is almost complete:
IRAQ
-DIXIE, August 10, 2006: "….how utterly desperate the anti-war crowd is. Still trying to lie and mislead people with propaganda like this, and still chanting to "bring them home" when it's clear, they are coming home soon, the job is almost complete! Our forces will come back home when the job is finished, and not because you pinheads 'spirited' them back with your war protests."
Militarily, I still think we are the best in world. But thats only in traditional warfare. Terrorism can't be fought with a traditional army. And until our monkey boy in chief realizes that, we'll continue to waste $B's daily.
And what job is that? I don't count intangible goals either, like "winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people".
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
If a little place like Iraq can break our army.......
No external army could deal with Iraq at the minute.
It can only be resolved internally...
No external army could deal with Iraq at the minute.
It can only be resolved internally...
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
Militarily, I still think we are the best in world.
Pound for pound I'd take the British Army.
Pound for pound I'd take the British Army.
Our size and technology would have you guys on your knees. Now if the Israeli Army was the size of ours, hands down, they would be the best in the world.
Yeah, all the US tech and people who are well-trained...
They kick some butt. And they know how to keep info off the radio. Unlike the US...
What do you expect? About half their army is comprised of women.
Gaffer
Sanctimonious Prick
Our army is not broken. The mission in iraq will be completed when the government there takes over running things.
We aren't losing a civil war as we are not fighting a civil war.
The ali babas are attacking shites to get them to attack sunni's, who then respond by attacking the shites.
If we pull out right now then the shites with the help of iran will take over everything and attempt to massacre all the sunnis, who will then be supported by the sauds and syria. Escalating into a big mideast war. Think gas prices are high now? let that get going. And if you think we wouldn't be dragged into it think again.
uscitizen = surrender monkey
We aren't losing a civil war as we are not fighting a civil war.
The ali babas are attacking shites to get them to attack sunni's, who then respond by attacking the shites.
If we pull out right now then the shites with the help of iran will take over everything and attempt to massacre all the sunnis, who will then be supported by the sauds and syria. Escalating into a big mideast war. Think gas prices are high now? let that get going. And if you think we wouldn't be dragged into it think again.
uscitizen = surrender monkey
They also don't focus on the small stuff like hair length or whether somebody might like somebody of the same sex...