Here's a little more back story on this whole thing:
http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2012/02/15/a-north-carolina-non-troversy/
http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2012/02/15/a-north-carolina-non-troversy/
Preschooler's Homemade Lunch Replaced with "Cafeteria Nuggets"...
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Annie
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I'm not so sure that 'back story' has all the facts. Seems their ducks are a bit out of kilter regarding other info coming out.
USFREEDOM911
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USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
And what was wrong with the childs lunch?
USFREEDOM911
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Disillusioned
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Keep in mind here when they say offering and supplementing, what they mean is a giant woman is going to stand over the 4 year old and say in that creepy "talking to kids" voice, "Here sweety your mommy didn't give you the right food so eat this. [NOOOOOOWWWWW!]"
And I am trying to tell you that what the law (not a rule) says and what actually happened are different.
And I am also trying to tell you that even if they were only following the law, the law is a step too far into our lives. The government should not have the role of parent, even for this.
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
And if the person in the role of the parent fails in that role? What of the child? Are you that much of a social Darwinist? Just look into these eyes....
Link us up. Show me where I said anything like that.
Again, your only solution is to make laws that restrict everybody because you only can think of the lowest common denominator. Have them look for signs of malnutrition, they are not that hard to spot, then have some social welfare agent investigate that. Don't send in super agents to inspect four year old students' lunches. That's just stupid nanny state nonsense one size fits all draconian waste of breathing idiocy attempting to get the youngest of children used to Big Brother searching even the minutest levels of their lives.
Geebus, Winston. You aren't exercising with enough energy, pick it up before we label you doubleplus ungood and send the love squad after you.
i think that the people that inspect home lunches need more education and the principal needs to discuss with the parents their child's nutritional problems
one of my granddaughters is an incredibly picky eater who should be underweight and in poor health due to poor nutrition, but she is healthy and above the normal height for her age
ps her pediatrician says she is healthy
one of my granddaughters is an incredibly picky eater who should be underweight and in poor health due to poor nutrition, but she is healthy and above the normal height for her age
ps her pediatrician says she is healthy
Bfgrn
New member
The FACTS:
For starters, the context in which all of this occurred was a public school pre-K program run by the state popularly known as “More at Four,” but now called the generic name “NC Pre-K.” In order to have a child enrolled in this program, which has a limited number of slots, the parents must actively choose to enroll, with priority going to “at-risk” children, to wit: special needs children and (importantly) low-income children. Indeed, to even be eligible for the program, the child must either fit in one of those two categories or have a parent on (or about to be called on) active military duty. Enrollment as an “at-risk” child means that the child’s enrollment is fully subsidized by the state, regardless of whether the day care is private or public.
These facts are critical because the “state agent” in this story turns out to be nothing more than a researcher from a program that grades the performance of pre-schools and operates out of the FPG Child Development Institute at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. It also does not appear that this institute has any actual authority other than to provide assessments, which the state then uses in making licensing decisions and in setting the fees it will pay the day care provider for subsidized care.
Notably, as the second-linked story above suggests, the mother’s main gripe here does not even appear to be with this “state agent,” but instead with the school’s teachers, who continue to give the girl milk and vegetables despite letters from the mother asking them not to. Indeed, the notion that this “state agent” was going around inspecting every single lunch box brought to the school does not appear to have much basis, as the agent apparently ordered full school lunches for every single child in this program and was evaluating the school’s compliance with standards, not individual parents’ compliance. Even if he was doing such an inspection, there’s a pretty obvious context-specific reason for it: this is an opt-in program for parents who largely can’t afford to provide fully balanced meals.
Her other major gripe appears to be that she is worried about being charged for the additional food being placed in front of her daughter based on a letter from the school purportedly saying that kids who did not bring a healthy lunch would be offered supplements and that parents “may” be charged for the supplemented portions. However, as the second-linked story makes clear, no such charges have been issued nor apparently was there any actual chance that such charges would be issued.
The original story’s claim that the relevant regulation applies to all pre-schools is also false – to the contrary, it applies only to pre-schools choosing to participate in (and eligible for) the subsidized program.
The original story further obscures that in no circumstance was this child – or any child, for that matter – being forced to eat the school-provided lunch, nor was this child -or any other child – deprived of her boxed lunch. Instead, as the second linked story acknowledges, the child was just provided with additional food and given the option to consume that in addition to her boxed lunch. In other words, the claim that the school “replaced” this girl’s turkey sandwich, banana, apple, potato chips, and juice with chicken nuggets is totally bogus.
For starters, the context in which all of this occurred was a public school pre-K program run by the state popularly known as “More at Four,” but now called the generic name “NC Pre-K.” In order to have a child enrolled in this program, which has a limited number of slots, the parents must actively choose to enroll, with priority going to “at-risk” children, to wit: special needs children and (importantly) low-income children. Indeed, to even be eligible for the program, the child must either fit in one of those two categories or have a parent on (or about to be called on) active military duty. Enrollment as an “at-risk” child means that the child’s enrollment is fully subsidized by the state, regardless of whether the day care is private or public.
These facts are critical because the “state agent” in this story turns out to be nothing more than a researcher from a program that grades the performance of pre-schools and operates out of the FPG Child Development Institute at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. It also does not appear that this institute has any actual authority other than to provide assessments, which the state then uses in making licensing decisions and in setting the fees it will pay the day care provider for subsidized care.
Notably, as the second-linked story above suggests, the mother’s main gripe here does not even appear to be with this “state agent,” but instead with the school’s teachers, who continue to give the girl milk and vegetables despite letters from the mother asking them not to. Indeed, the notion that this “state agent” was going around inspecting every single lunch box brought to the school does not appear to have much basis, as the agent apparently ordered full school lunches for every single child in this program and was evaluating the school’s compliance with standards, not individual parents’ compliance. Even if he was doing such an inspection, there’s a pretty obvious context-specific reason for it: this is an opt-in program for parents who largely can’t afford to provide fully balanced meals.
Her other major gripe appears to be that she is worried about being charged for the additional food being placed in front of her daughter based on a letter from the school purportedly saying that kids who did not bring a healthy lunch would be offered supplements and that parents “may” be charged for the supplemented portions. However, as the second-linked story makes clear, no such charges have been issued nor apparently was there any actual chance that such charges would be issued.
The original story’s claim that the relevant regulation applies to all pre-schools is also false – to the contrary, it applies only to pre-schools choosing to participate in (and eligible for) the subsidized program.
The original story further obscures that in no circumstance was this child – or any child, for that matter – being forced to eat the school-provided lunch, nor was this child -or any other child – deprived of her boxed lunch. Instead, as the second linked story acknowledges, the child was just provided with additional food and given the option to consume that in addition to her boxed lunch. In other words, the claim that the school “replaced” this girl’s turkey sandwich, banana, apple, potato chips, and juice with chicken nuggets is totally bogus.
Bfgrn
New member
Some more FACTS about the OP's fabricated story.
The Carolina Journal 'sounds' like some little hometown community newspaper. It's not.
Carolina Journal is the John Locke Foundation’s flagship media program.
http://www.johnlocke.org/about/bio/421/
WHO is the John Locke Foundation?
The John Locke Foundation (JLF) is a right-wing, free-market think tank in North Carolina.
The John Locke Foundation receives around 80% of its funding from Art Pope, who controls the institute's agenda from its board of directors. From its founding in the early 1990's until 2006, "the organization was not taken seriously," according to one North Carolina political figure, but when Pope gained control of his family's fortune in 2006 he began to invest significantly in the organization as he aimed to gain a voice in North Carolina conservative policy circles.
A New Yorker expose explains that Pope invests not only in the Foundation, but in state-level political elections and other non-profit institutions designed to make his takeover of the North Carolina GOP complete. Marc Farinella, an adviser to North Carolina Governor Bev Perdue, commented that "The Republican agenda in North Carolina is really Art Pope’s agenda. He sets it, he funds it, and he directs the efforts to achieve it. The candidates are just fronting for him. There are so many people in North Carolina beholden to Art Pope—it undermines the democratic process.
Art Pope is the president and vice-chairman of the board of directors for Variety Wholesalers Inc., and a director of the right-wing group Americans for Prosperity, which organized the Tax Day Tea Parties across the country, and which organized "town hall" opposition to health care reform in 2009. He is a member of the board of directors of the John Locke Foundation, the Atlas Economic Research Foundation, and the North Carolina Retail Merchants Association.
An investigation by Facing South / Institute for Southern Studies also found that Pope has close ties to the Koch Brothers, as one of four national directors of the Koch-founded political advocacy group Americans for Prosperity. In addition, Pope is a director and board chair of a family foundation, the Pope Foundation, which has steered millions to conservative thinks tanks in North Carolina and nationally that have worked closely with the Koch network to manufacture doubt about global warming, including his own John Locke Foundation.
Overall, a 2010 Facing South / Institute for Southern Studies analysis of tax records found that a foundation chaired by Art Pope supplies about 90 percent of the income of leading conservative nonprofits in North Carolina.
The John Williams Pope Foundation is chaired by North Carolina businessman Art Pope. A 2010 Facing South analysis of the Pope Foundation's tax filings shows it has given over $1.3 million to the Americans for Prosperity Foundation since 2004, making Pope the group's second largest institutional backer in the country. In an April 9, 2009 article on ThinkProgress.org, Lee Fang reports that the principal organizers of Tea Party Patriots events are Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works.
Overall, the 2010 Facing South analysis of tax records found that the Pope Foundation supplies about 90 percent of the income of leading conservative nonprofits in North Carolina, such as the John Locke Foundation and the Civitas Institute, as well as the N.C. branch of Americans for Prosperity. These groups have been active in opposing climate change legislation and renewable energy.
The Carolina Journal 'sounds' like some little hometown community newspaper. It's not.
Carolina Journal is the John Locke Foundation’s flagship media program.
http://www.johnlocke.org/about/bio/421/
WHO is the John Locke Foundation?
The John Locke Foundation (JLF) is a right-wing, free-market think tank in North Carolina.
The John Locke Foundation receives around 80% of its funding from Art Pope, who controls the institute's agenda from its board of directors. From its founding in the early 1990's until 2006, "the organization was not taken seriously," according to one North Carolina political figure, but when Pope gained control of his family's fortune in 2006 he began to invest significantly in the organization as he aimed to gain a voice in North Carolina conservative policy circles.
A New Yorker expose explains that Pope invests not only in the Foundation, but in state-level political elections and other non-profit institutions designed to make his takeover of the North Carolina GOP complete. Marc Farinella, an adviser to North Carolina Governor Bev Perdue, commented that "The Republican agenda in North Carolina is really Art Pope’s agenda. He sets it, he funds it, and he directs the efforts to achieve it. The candidates are just fronting for him. There are so many people in North Carolina beholden to Art Pope—it undermines the democratic process.
Art Pope is the president and vice-chairman of the board of directors for Variety Wholesalers Inc., and a director of the right-wing group Americans for Prosperity, which organized the Tax Day Tea Parties across the country, and which organized "town hall" opposition to health care reform in 2009. He is a member of the board of directors of the John Locke Foundation, the Atlas Economic Research Foundation, and the North Carolina Retail Merchants Association.
An investigation by Facing South / Institute for Southern Studies also found that Pope has close ties to the Koch Brothers, as one of four national directors of the Koch-founded political advocacy group Americans for Prosperity. In addition, Pope is a director and board chair of a family foundation, the Pope Foundation, which has steered millions to conservative thinks tanks in North Carolina and nationally that have worked closely with the Koch network to manufacture doubt about global warming, including his own John Locke Foundation.
Overall, a 2010 Facing South / Institute for Southern Studies analysis of tax records found that a foundation chaired by Art Pope supplies about 90 percent of the income of leading conservative nonprofits in North Carolina.
The John Williams Pope Foundation is chaired by North Carolina businessman Art Pope. A 2010 Facing South analysis of the Pope Foundation's tax filings shows it has given over $1.3 million to the Americans for Prosperity Foundation since 2004, making Pope the group's second largest institutional backer in the country. In an April 9, 2009 article on ThinkProgress.org, Lee Fang reports that the principal organizers of Tea Party Patriots events are Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works.
Overall, the 2010 Facing South analysis of tax records found that the Pope Foundation supplies about 90 percent of the income of leading conservative nonprofits in North Carolina, such as the John Locke Foundation and the Civitas Institute, as well as the N.C. branch of Americans for Prosperity. These groups have been active in opposing climate change legislation and renewable energy.
Annie
Not So Junior Member
Define all aspects of 'good parent.' At what point does the state take control of the child?