President Elon Musk gives nod to German far-right party as election looms

Guno צְבִי said:
Its youth arm, the Young Alternative (JA), has been designated by German authorities as a “confirmed extremist” organization. The party’s lead candidate in the eastern German state of Thuringia, Björn Höcke, was convicted earlier this year after breaking German laws against uttering Nazi slogans in public.
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That has nothing to do with invoking Godwin's Law. Checkerboard Strangler posted a picture of Elon Musk in a quasi-Nazi uniform. That is an inappropriate invoking of Nazis or Hitler into the conversation and thus, a violation of Godwin's Law. What this political party does or is in terms of German politics is a separate issue. They may well be some sort of second coming of a Nazi-like party, but that has nothing to do with putting up a photo of Elon Musk in a quasi-Nazi uniform.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That has nothing to do with invoking Godwin's Law. Checkerboard Strangler posted a picture of Elon Musk in a quasi-Nazi uniform. That is an inappropriate invoking of Nazis or Hitler into the conversation and thus, a violation of Godwin's Law. What this political party does or is in terms of German politics is a separate issue. They may well be some sort of second coming of a Nazi-like party, but that has nothing to do with putting up a photo of Elon Musk in a quasi-Nazi uniform.
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Musk and Trump if you are honest, are far right . If the uniform fits, they should wear it proudly. It fits.
 
Nordberg said:
Musk and Trump if you are honest, are far right . If the uniform fits, they should wear it proudly. It fits.
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So? That doesn't make them "Nazis." The uniform doesn't fit except in the fevered minds of insane Leftists such as yourself. That's particularly true since Nazis are socialists and on the far Left.
 
The head of Germany's Alternative für Deutschland party is Alice Weidel.

She has a PhD in economics, worked previously at Goldman Sachs and at the Bank of China.

She speaks English and Mandarin.

She's a lesbian married to a woman originally from Sri Lanka.

In television programs she comes off as calm, collected - thoughtful.

She's about as globalist/cosmopolitan as they come in terms of background.

But she is an immigration restrictionist. So that makes her "far right" and "extreme."

Just that one issue makes people lose their minds.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1870158660334432618
 
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Magats_Love_NHB said:

Dec 20 (Reuters) - U.S. billionaire President elect Elon Musk, waded into Germany's election campaign on Friday, calling the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) the country's saviour.

The AfD is running second in opinion polls and might be able to thwart either a centre-right or centre-left majority, but Germany's mainstream, more centrist parties have vowed to shun support from the AfD at national level.
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Europe's leading power is expected to vote on Feb. 23 after a centre-left coalition government led by Chancellor Olaf Scholz collapsed.
"Only the AfD can save Germany," Musk wrote in a post on his social media platform, X.
Musk, the world's richest person, has already expressed support for other anti-immigration parties across Europe.
The German government said it had taken note of Musk's post but declined to give any further comment at its regular press conference.

Musk reposted a message by German right-wing influencer Naomi Seibt that criticised Friedrich Merz, chancellor candidate for the conservatives, who are comfortably ahead in surveys.
Scholz told a press conference: "Freedom of speech also means that you can say things that aren't right and don't contain good political advice."
Musk had already voiced support for the AfD last year, when he attacked the German government's handling of illegal migration



Last month, Musk called for the sacking of Italian judges who had questioned the legality of government measures to prevent irregular immigration.
And this week Nigel Farage, leader of Britain's right-wing Reform UK party and friend of Trump, posted a photo of himself and Reform's treasurer meeting Musk at Trump's Florida residence, and said he was in talks with Musk about financial support.
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Remarkable that a South African expat is now the acting President of the United States.
 
Nordberg said:
That is so wrong. Nazi is far right where you reside. Why do you guys lie about that? https://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.html
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Saying so doesn't make it so. The Nazis were everything the Left always is:

Socialist
Authoritarian / dictatorship
Militaristic
Racist /Ethnicist
Pro big government
Pro public transit
Anti-private everything, schools, business, you-name-it.
Anti-smoking
Pro abortion
For gun control

What makes them on the Right? What differentiates them from every Leftist authoritarian dictatorship in history?

Your link is just a series of cherry-picked anecdotes and in many areas, simply wrong. Klein says the Nazis rejected socialism. The did not. They practiced Statist Capitalism.

The simplest explaination:

State capitalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Rather than the state control the economy and industry directly through ownership as in some other forms of Socialism and in Communism, the Nazis controlled what was made and who got to make it while leaving industry in the hands of private owners. It's the exact same model the Communist Chinese have adopted today. There are examples of the state taking over companies too. For example, Junkers, the largest aircraft manufacturer in Germany at the time went under (bankrupt) in the mid 30's so the government took control. It was to coin the term, 'To big to fail.'

Dachau held political prisoners of every stripe. Even industrialists and such that wouldn't kowtow to the Nazi government could end up there. For instance this engineer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Herzstark

It was like a mini version of Stalin's gulag system and served the same purpose.

Sure, US industry in Germany was allowed to continue so long as they produced what the state ordered them to make. That continued up to the US declaring war on Germany when such industry was nationalized entirely.

Many, most Leftist governments are racist, ethnicist, etc. That the Nazis were too is not particularly notable. Stalin waged pogroms on Jews, Cossacks, and other ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union as but one example.

The Nazis didn't target the Left as they were the Left. They targeted their political opposition on the Left just as the Communists in the Soviet Union and then postwar in areas captured, eliminated other Socialist parties to gain complete control of the government.

David Klein, whoever the fuck he is doesn't know shit about this subject, or he's being obtuse in the extreme.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Saying so doesn't make it so. The Nazis were everything the Left always is:

Socialist
Authoritarian / dictatorship
Militaristic
Racist /Ethnicist
Pro big government
Pro public transit
Anti-private everything, schools, business, you-name-it.
Anti-smoking
Pro abortion
For gun control

What makes them on the Right? What differentiates them from every Leftist authoritarian dictatorship in history?
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You are confusing it with how the far left and far right overlap. See the horseshoe theory.
 
Diogenes said:
The head of Germany's Alternative für Deutschland party is Alice Weidel.

She has a PhD in economics, worked previously at Goldman Sachs and at the Bank of China.

She speaks English and Mandarin.

She's a lesbian married to a woman originally from Sri Lanka.

In television programs she comes off as calm, collected - thoughtful.

She's about as globalist/cosmopolitan as they come in terms of background.

But she is an immigration restrictionist. So that makes her "far right" and "extreme."

Just that one issue makes people lose their minds.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1870158660334432618
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But for the Left and the radical Left in particular, anyone opposed to their agenda is evil incarnate and to be dissed and smeared with every evil possible, real or imagined. Elon Musk is a perfect example of this. He was a darling of the Left when he was just making Teslas, the EV the Left saw as the Green future. Then Musk started backing conservative politicians like Trump. Overnight, he became evil incarnate and the enemy of the Left. No smear, no insult was sufficient to tar him with.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
But for the Left and the radical Left in particular, anyone opposed to their agenda is evil incarnate and to be dissed and smeared with every evil possible, real or imagined. Elon Musk is a perfect example of this. He was a darling of the Left when he was just making Teslas, the EV the Left saw as the Green future. Then Musk started backing conservative politicians like Trump. Overnight, he became evil incarnate and the enemy of the Left. No smear, no insult was sufficient to tar him with.
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Very true.
 
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ELON: THERE IS A NEED FOR CHANGE IN GERMANY​


"There's a need for change. It's got to be done, and this election is so important. I don't do not say it lightly when I think the future of civilization could hang on this election. You've got to go all out to convince people to vote for AfD."



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Nordberg said:
The far right in America has been pushing oligarchy across the globe. A couple years ago Bannon was giving Nazi speeches in Sweden and other European countries. Musk saw a chance to push far-right crap in Germany and jumped at it. It is a movement to fundamentally wreck democracies and put them under the power of the super-wealthy. It is working quite well here.
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Musk can spend $1/4 billion on her, but she has no chance. Like Musk, she is anti Ukraine and pro Putin. I find it ironic that there are threads here lying about Biden interfering in India's election, but Musk trying to reinstall Nazis in Germany seems to be just fine?
 
Althea said:
Musk can spend $1/4 billion on her, but she has no chance. Like Musk, she is anti Ukraine and pro Putin. I find it ironic that there are threads here lying about Biden interfering in India's election, but Musk trying to reinstall Nazis in Germany seems to be just fine?
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The German people are generally aligned with the AfD on Ukraine.
 
Yes, Nazi Germany is generally classified as far right. The Nazi Party, or National Socialist German Workers' Party, combined extreme nationalism, racism, and authoritarianism, which are characteristics often associated with the far right of the political spectrum. Their policies included:

  • Racial Purity: The Nazis promoted a racist ideology centered around the concept of Aryan supremacy, aiming to create a "racially pure" state. This led to the horrific genocide of Jews, Roma, disabled individuals, and other groups during the Holocaust.
  • Nationalism: They emphasized German nationalism, seeking to expand Germany's territory through aggressive militarism and the concept of Lebensraum (living space).
  • Anti-Communism: Despite the "Socialist" in their name, the Nazis were vehemently anti-communist, aligning with other far-right ideologies in opposing leftist movements.
  • Authoritarianism: Under Adolf Hitler, the Nazis established a totalitarian regime that suppressed opposition, controlled all aspects of life, and centralized power.
  • Traditional Values: They promoted traditional gender roles, opposed modern art and culture deemed "degenerate," and sought to return to an idealized past of German culture.

However, it's worth noting that political spectrums can be complex, and some historians argue that certain aspects of Nazi ideology, like the term "Socialist" in their name, might suggest some left-wing economic policies, though these were largely for propaganda or were secondary to their primary right-wing objectives. Nonetheless, the core of Nazi ideology, with its racial policies, nationalism, and authoritarianism, firmly situates it on the far right.

@Grok
 
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