President Obama's chances...

Jarod

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First I admit that there is a lot of time between now and next November.

Several months ago I was fairly pessimistic about President Obama's chances for reelection. It looked pretty bad, public opinion was down and the economy appeared it might be slowing its already slow recovery.

Several factors have changed my view, most notably the insanity that seems to be plaging the Republican Primary. The shooting to the top of various cartoon cheractor type bombastic canidates over Mitt Romney and the far right turn it has caused Romney to take is the greatest cause for the change in my feelings about the Presidents chances. If the Republicans nominate a Newt or a Perry they will be faced with the unplesant reality of a fatally flawed canidate who will easily be dismantled in front of the independent and moderate Republicans. Newt has self destructed almost everything he has been a part of, imagine Newt with the exausted $1,000,000 credit line at Tiffanys trying to preach fiscal responsability. Mitt is not a true Republican and has had the audacity of expressing pro-life opinions in a previous political life. Given this I still doubt the moderate Republicans will be persuaded to vote for President Obama but they might stay home or go for a third canidate. Ron Paul and Donald Trump continue to float the possability of an independent bid for the presidency. Paul is likely to do it if Gingrich is the canidate and Trump if Romney is the canidate. Those who like bombastic PT Barnum type stunts will go for Trump and true honest conservatives will flock to Paul.

It has been said that the President stacked the deck with the spending schedule of the stimulus money and other fiscal policy to really kick in in spring of 12', I am not so idealistic as to belive this is impossable. If that is so, it will give a large boost to an already increasingly improving economy. Moderates and independents will be reminded of the situation of the economy when the President took over, and the mood will be more optomistic about the prospects of the comming mohths. Come next November we may be in a full steam powerfull recovery. (Planned that way or not)

Dont forget that the War in Iraq has been ended, and the blood bath that was Afganistan is calming, OBL is dead, and Al Queda is put down. The "test" that was threatened in the last election of the president's anti-terrorism credentals never happened or was successfully met, depending on your perspective and (hopefully this does not change) the President has kept us safe from major terrorist attacks at home, something the Republicans threatened that he would not be able to do.

Anyone still belive that there is no way President Obama can get reelected? If so, why?
 
>Donald Trump

HAHAHAHAHA! Trump does this shit all the time, since the 80's. He does it to increase publicity, not because he actually plans on running.

You may be right, but he has never raised it to this level. Imagine the publicity if he actually did it. If he does not, there is an opening for someone else.
 
I think he could get reelected, I've always said so and have stated that the republicans can't lose focus and start focusing on people rather than Obama's policies. With 1 Billion in the bank ready for a campaign, free travel and "press conferences" he has a huge advantage, add that money and he'll be tough to beat. The focus of the republicans must be on what he has done, what he plans to do, and how it has effected people.
 
I think he could get reelected, I've always said so and have stated that the republicans can't lose focus and start focusing on people rather than Obama's policies. With 1 Billion in the bank ready for a campaign, free travel and "press conferences" he has a huge advantage, add that money and he'll be tough to beat. The focus of the republicans must be on what he has done, what he plans to do, and how it has effected people.

Do you belive that is something Newt will be able to accomplish? Newt has already illistrated the tendancy to focus on the bombastic hype bomb throwing approach.
 
First I admit that there is a lot of time between now and next November.

Several months ago I was fairly pessimistic about President Obama's chances for reelection. It looked pretty bad, public opinion was down and the economy appeared it might be slowing its already slow recovery.

Several factors have changed my view, most notably the insanity that seems to be plaging the Republican Primary. The shooting to the top of various cartoon cheractor type bombastic canidates over Mitt Romney and the far right turn it has caused Romney to take is the greatest cause for the change in my feelings about the Presidents chances. If the Republicans nominate a Newt or a Perry they will be faced with the unplesant reality of a fatally flawed canidate who will easily be dismantled in front of the independent and moderate Republicans. Newt has self destructed almost everything he has been a part of, imagine Newt with the exausted $1,000,000 credit line at Tiffanys trying to preach fiscal responsability. Mitt is not a true Republican and has had the audacity of expressing pro-life opinions in a previous political life. Given this I still doubt the moderate Republicans will be persuaded to vote for President Obama but they might stay home or go for a third canidate. Ron Paul and Donald Trump continue to float the possability of an independent bid for the presidency. Paul is likely to do it if Gingrich is the canidate and Trump if Romney is the canidate. Those who like bombastic PT Barnum type stunts will go for Trump and true honest conservatives will flock to Paul.

It has been said that the President stacked the deck with the spending schedule of the stimulus money and other fiscal policy to really kick in in spring of 12', I am not so idealistic as to belive this is impossable. If that is so, it will give a large boost to an already increasingly improving economy. Moderates and independents will be reminded of the situation of the economy when the President took over, and the mood will be more optomistic about the prospects of the comming mohths. Come next November we may be in a full steam powerfull recovery. (Planned that way or not)

Dont forget that the War in Iraq has been ended, and the blood bath that was Afganistan is calming, OBL is dead, and Al Queda is put down. The "test" that was threatened in the last election of the president's anti-terrorism credentals never happened or was successfully met, depending on your perspective and (hopefully this does not change) the President has kept us safe from major terrorist attacks at home, something the Republicans threatened that he would not be able to do.

Anyone still belive that there is no way President Obama can get reelected? If so, why?
I don't think any intelligent, informed person believed there was no way President Obama could get re-elected. I believe that most informed persons believed that he was (and still is) at serious risk of losing. Obama can certainly be beat and if Mitt survives the GOP nomination process it's going to be a dog fight. Current polling shows that it's down to Gingrich and Romney with, surprize, Gingrich leading.

Current polling shows Obama with slight leads over Romney. Wins in Ohio or Florida would seal the deal for either candidate.

Current polling shows Obama crushing Gingrich to a degree we haven't seen since Walter Mondale got spanked by Reagan.

I would say the odds of Obama winning re-election are looking better then the did a year ago but I wouldn't count my eggs just yet.
 
Current polling does not say a lot in my opinion. The biggest effect Gingrich's rise has had on the race if Romney is the eventual winner, and I expect he will be, is that it drove Romney to the right on Medicare.

Untill last week, Romney refused to take a stance on the Ryan plan to turn medicare into a voucher system. Last week Romney was forced to say he would have supported the Ryan plan. In FLORIDA especally, the stance has given Preisdent Obama the oppertunity to scare older voters pants off if they were considering voting for Romney.
 
Do you belive that is something Newt will be able to accomplish? Newt has already illistrated the tendancy to focus on the bombastic hype bomb throwing approach.

Newt has shown incredible proclivity for staying on topic. He has not let the moderators in debates draw him into personal attacks when they are clearly offered. So far, he's done well in that arena. If you want to battle the President who says republicans want "dirty air, dirty water, and your grandmother to eat dog food" then a little hype is called for.
 
Newt has shown incredible proclivity for staying on topic. He has not let the moderators in debates draw him into personal attacks when they are clearly offered. So far, he's done well in that arena. If you want to battle the President who says republicans want "dirty air, dirty water, and your grandmother to eat dog food" then a little hype is called for.

That's exactly what the Republican party stands for today.
 
Newt has shown incredible proclivity for staying on topic. He has not let the moderators in debates draw him into personal attacks when they are clearly offered. So far, he's done well in that arena. If you want to battle the President who says republicans want "dirty air, dirty water, and your grandmother to eat dog food" then a little hype is called for.

President Obama said that the Republicans want my grandmother to eat dog food?

See we all know that President Obama never said these things... That is the type of bombastic red meat the Republicans are craving that I do not belive the Public is going to go for this year.
 
Damocles, you disappeared? Did President Obama say that Republicans want my grandmother to eat dogfood? Or did you make that up?
 
President Obama said that the Republicans want my grandmother to eat dog food?

See we all know that President Obama never said these things... That is the type of bombastic red meat the Republicans are craving that I do not belive the Public is going to go for this year.

What? I can absolutely bring up video of him saying that republicans want dirty air, water, less people with health insurance.

He said it. Stop being deliberately ignorant.

The dog food part was a vision of Congresspeople, who have absolutely said that as well... It is absolutely purposefully ignorant to pretend that it wasn't. When faced with hyperbole of that type it is acceptable to me to return in kind.
 
What? I can absolutely bring up video of him saying that republicans want dirty air, water, less people with health insurance.

He said it. Stop being deliberately ignorant.


And the dog food thing?

Pro tip: if you use quotation marks, people will think you are directly quoting someone.
 
And the dog food thing?

Pro tip: if you use quotation marks, people will think you are directly quoting someone.

I explained the dog food thing as well...

What? I can absolutely bring up video of him saying that republicans want dirty air, water, less people with health insurance.

He said it. Stop being deliberately ignorant.

The dog food part, I'll admit, was a vision of Congresspeople, who have absolutely said that as well... It is absolutely purposefully ignorant to pretend that it wasn't. When faced with hyperbole of that type it is acceptable to me to return in kind.
 
And the dog food thing?

Pro tip: if you use quotation marks, people will think you are directly quoting someone.

But Damo has explained in the past that he uses quotation marks in a different way than everyone else and totally doesn't mean for it to meant as something anyone actually said. Is that okay with you "mister quotation expert"?
 
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